Re: THE worst Saints team .. the decline is complete (I hope : Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:06 pm  

There are some good individuals in this side who could make the nucleus of a very good side.

However because of the lack of pack and halves, the sum of our parts is less than the individuals themselves.

The season is I believe a complete right off, I think the best we could hope for is to make the top 8, but when you consider that mid table sides like Hull KR, Bradford and Hull FC are stronger than us, then its looking like a big ask.

Personally think that from now on we should use the rest of the season to develop our kids and help bring them through. I would look at giving the likes of Carl Forster a run out in the front row, same also for Jordan Hand.

We will lose games playing them but ultimately it should play dividends, not this season, but a season or two down the line.

Re: THE worst Saints team .. the decline is complete (I hope : Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:08 pm  

TheVee wrote:

Biggest over reaction I have ever seen! OK no one enjoyed watching that or some of the stuff we have produced this season but do people remember Lomax, Roby, Manu, Flanagan and a fully fit TP? Some of our big names are missing and I think we are coping as well as we can. Obviously we need recruitment but theres not a lot we can do mid season.

I think we would have won that game today if all those injured players were playing this afternoon. Also we said at the beginning of the season we will not get to any final without half backs, we are what we are a mid table team, people should stop torturing themselves and accept it for this season.

Re: THE worst Saints team .. the decline is complete (I hope : Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:12 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

I think we would have won that game today if all those injured players were playing this afternoon. Also we said at the beginning of the season we will not get to any final without half backs, we are what we are a mid table team, people should stop torturing themselves and accept it for this season.

I think we could have won that game today if we had played in the first half like we did for half of the second half. Our problem, aside from any coaching issues, is attitude. Our discipline stunk to high heaven in the first half and we got exactly what we deserved. I don't think our injured players would have made any difference at all today.

Re: THE worst Saints team .. the decline is complete (I hope : Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:16 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

stop torturing themselves and accept it for this season.

I'm happy to accept it as long as the club are happy to accept me and I suspect many other not renewing season tickets until we show some bloody ambition

Re: THE worst Saints team .. the decline is complete (I hope : Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:16 pm  

St pete wrote:

Its the worst saints team I've seen in super league and that's without doubt!

I was going to list the players that ain't good enough but it be quicker to name the players that are good enough (excluding youngsters)

Lomax
Makinson
Roby
Sia
Walmsley

From the current team, the first team players I'd want here next season are Turner, Soliola, Meli (if there's no other option), Lomax, Roby, LMS (if he pulls his finger out and his form picks up), Puletua, Manu, Flanagan, Wheeler (if he sorts his injury problems out), Jones, Gaskell, Makinson, Greenwood, Walmsley, Swift, Walker and Percival. Sack the rest off, giving us 3 quota spots and a lot of quota space. They're some decent OOC contract super league players that we should snap instead of losing out to Leeds/Wigan/Huddersfield like we always do. We need a stand off, scrum half, winger, 2 or 3 props and loose in my opinion. This season's a write off for me, lets hope our recruitment kick starts soon so we've got something to look forward to next season.

Re: THE worst Saints team .. the decline is complete (I hope : Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:20 pm  

St. Rughead wrote:

From the current team, the first team players I'd want here next season are Turner, Soliola, Meli (if there's no other option), Lomax, Roby, LMS (if he pulls his finger out and his form picks up), Puletua, Manu, Flanagan, Wheeler (if he sorts his injury problems out), Jones, Gaskell, Makinson, Greenwood, Walmsley, Swift, Walker and Percival. Sack the rest off, giving us 3 quota spots and a lot of quota space. They're some decent OOC contract super league players that we should snap instead of losing out to Leeds/Wigan/Huddersfield like we always do. We need a stand off, scrum half, winger, 2 or 3 props and loose in my opinion. This season's a write off for me, lets hope our recruitment kick starts soon so we've got something to look forward to next season.

I didnt list the young lads I'd keep like Percival, swift, greenwood, walker etc

The squad needs a radical change. Like I've said many times, the best teams build on success and not go into decline. We started to lack ambition in retention and recruitment and that's why we are in this mess.

I hate to say it but I told you so.

Re: THE worst Saints team .. the decline is complete (I hope : Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:23 pm  

St pete wrote:

I didnt list the young lads I'd keep like Percival, swift, greenwood, walker etc

The squad needs a radical change. Like I've said many times, the best teams build on success and not go into decline. We started to lack ambition in retention and recruitment and that's why we are in this mess.

I hate to say it but I told you so.

so true, we took the eye off the ball and look where we are now. great stadium poor team and no plans to fix it.

Re: THE worst Saints team .. the decline is complete (I hope : Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:25 pm  

No1 Saint wrote:

so true, we took the eye off the ball and look where we are now. great stadium poor team and no plans to fix it.

McManus promised us " a team to grace the new stadium".

He's broke that promise.

Re: THE worst Saints team .. the decline is complete (I hope : Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:27 pm  

St pete wrote:

McManus promised us " a team to grace the new stadium".

He's broke that promise.

He also promised us cladding and we all know how that ended up.

Re: THE worst Saints team .. the decline is complete (I hope : Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:30 pm  

Once we get our influential injured players back, I would only make one change and that is to bring Charnock into the stand off role, the pack can be fixed as in most of the games the problem has been an attitude one.