Re: 1999 Super League Grand Final : Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:31 am  

Roy Haggerty wrote:

I'll bet he didn't give away as many penalties as, say, Scott Moore or Ben Westwood.

Probably not, but that was largely down to the fact that we very rarely dared play him for more than 10 minutes a game...

Roy Haggerty wrote:

I'd have him ahead of any of our identikit not-very-big-not-very-fast-not-very-skilful bench forwards. Or indeed ahead of a starter like Perry.

Well, I'd rather have 40 minutes of consistent work and yardage from a Clough than 15 minutes peering through my fingers waiting for Vila to put a high-shot in... He was an awesome specimen physically and put the fear of God into me watching him in the stands never mind the poor sods who had to tackle him, but he was still very largely a temperamental liability and his contribution to the team in most games was severely limited by the simple fact that we could only ever risk playing him in short impact bursts. His red cards cost us big in more than a few games...

Re: 1999 Super League Grand Final : Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:52 am  

People do get a bit misty eyed about some of our pre-2007 players. Vila was scary to look at, and on his day he was hard to handle. As NS has said, though, he was a liability in terms of discipline. I'll add to that the weekly brain fart he would have whilst in possession and the fact that he had to be in the mood to really make an impact. He was a good player, and a fun one to watch, but he wasn't any better than, say, LMS.

Re: 1999 Super League Grand Final : Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:35 am  

Dux wrote:

People do get a bit misty eyed about some of our pre-2007 players. Vila was scary to look at, and on his day he was hard to handle. As NS has said, though, he was a liability in terms of discipline. I'll add to that the weekly brain fart he would have whilst in possession and the fact that he had to be in the mood to really make an impact. He was a good player, and a fun one to watch, but he wasn't any better than, say, LMS.

He was immense when we signed him despite the draw backs, but not long after, full time professionalism took hold and he didn't have quite the same physical advantage over his opposition.
A goodish player, he'd get a game now off the bench. He was generally a little lazy in defence and gave away plenty of penalties.
He didn't take any poop, which is often stated as something we miss in our pack.
I've plenty of fond memeroires of him - trampling Lee Penny in a game at KR on the way to the line before injuring himself diving over.
Does anyone remeber that game in the sun at KR against halifax in 95? He had a stormer.

Re: 1999 Super League Grand Final : Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:56 pm  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

His red cards cost us big in more than a few games...

Can you name the games he was sent off in??? I only remember him being dismissed in two games, one at Whitehaven in the Challenge Cup in 2001(which we won) and another somewhere or another cant quite remember.

Re: 1999 Super League Grand Final : Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:39 pm  

I remeber he got sent off at home for leading with the elbow when it was quite inocuous. He got sending of suffcient for that.

I found this, looking through t'internet

But injuries aren’t the only reason that Vila misses games. The RFL claim Vila has the worst disciplinary record in the game. For the record Vila has been sent-off eight times, sin-binned ten times and put on report six times, two of which received not guilty verdicts.

I've seen it written that he got sent off at Whitehaven in the cup and at Oldham, once.

The two worst ones I remember were on Jamie Peacock at odsal and Graham Mackay at headingly. Neith of which he got sent off for, but banned at a later date.

Re: 1999 Super League Grand Final : Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:02 pm  

Chris Joynt said in his book if the coach didnt take Matautia off at exactly the right time they where running major risk of him being Sent Off. Or words to that effect.

Re: 1999 Super League Grand Final : Sat Dec 22, 2012 7:23 pm  

I couldn't get up to the game but was listening to it on a tranny at my Mother in Law's in South Wales. When Bradford broke away for the try that was disallowed, I banged the table, the radio flew off and smashed. There wasn't another in the house. It was two days later when I realised we'd won (I didn't dare look at the teletext because I was convinced once they got ahead they'd murder us).

A happy ending - though I had to buy my Mother in Law another radio. It was worth it.

Re: 1999 Super League Grand Final : Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:29 am  

wrexhamsaint wrote:

I couldn't get up to the game but was listening to it on a tranny at my Mother in Law's in South Wales. When Bradford broke away for the try that was disallowed, I banged the table, the radio flew off and smashed. There wasn't another in the house. It was two days later when I realised we'd won (I didn't dare look at the teletext because I was convinced once they got ahead they'd murder us).

A happy ending - though I had to buy my Mother in Law another radio. It was worth it.

Ahh....the twentieth century!

Re: 1999 Super League Grand Final : Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:15 pm  

Dux wrote:

People do get a bit misty eyed about some of our pre-2007 players. Vila was scary to look at, and on his day he was hard to handle. As NS has said, though, he was a liability in terms of discipline. I'll add to that the weekly brain fart he would have whilst in possession and the fact that he had to be in the mood to really make an impact. He was a good player, and a fun one to watch, but he wasn't any better than, say, LMS.

He certainly wasn't aye. Of all Saints forwards over the past twenty years Vila's ratio of good things to poor things is probably among the lowest. He was a liability as you say.

Re: 1999 Super League Grand Final : Sun Jan 13, 2013 9:33 pm  

Those were the days when I first start watching Saints. Long and Martyn in the halves were such a good combination, Matautia was my hero too. I was only about 6 or 7 at this time, used to love watching him charge at the line