Re: First Sacking of 2013...? : Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:05 pm  

tarmit1989 wrote:

if Nathan Brown has another typical mid season slip/ blunder like he did at huddersfield multiple times, i see no reason why he wouldnt get sacked for it at Saints?

No chance will saints sack Brown next season. He's signed a 3yr deal and know way will McManus pay him out for 2+ years and then have to pay another coach to come in.

The money side of sacking Royce had no effect at all, Royce was in his last year (his replacement was already 99% sorted) and Rush filled in for the year. It did t cost saints a penny as nobody came in.

Nathan Brown is being very well paid at saints, he was in talks before Royce was sacked.

Re: First Sacking of 2013...? : Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:13 pm  

tarmit1989 wrote:

if Nathan Brown has another typical mid season slip/ blunder like he did at huddersfield multiple times, i see no reason why he wouldnt get sacked for it at Saints?

Anyone can lead a marathon for the first few miles. Was it Brown or Huddersfield, we will find out this year.

SGI never crashed late in the season under Brown, so I suspect that Huddersfield may have not had the quality to last the distance. This is why I think Anderson is under more risk than many on here believe.

Huddersfield in my eyes have an over achieving squad that has lost some good players and an untested coach who seem to have an idealistic attitude imo. The thing that could save Anderson is Ken Davy seems a reasonable guy.

Maybe it is not the team or the players that matter, maybe it is the chairman. This is why Hull looks like a good bet.

Re: First Sacking of 2013...? : Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:24 pm  

Noel Cleal wrote:

SGI never crashed late in the season under Brown, so I suspect that Huddersfield may have not had the quality to last the distance. This is why I think Anderson is under more risk than many on here believe.

Huddersfield in my eyes have an over achieving squad that has lost some good players and an untested coach who seem to have an idealistic attitude imo. The thing that could save Anderson is Ken Davy seems a reasonable guy.

i think huddersfield (as a huddersfield fan, I am naturally going to think this) are going to do a hell of a lot better this year. we have made some good aqusitions and bolstered a pack that was mutilated by Nathan Brown. if only we could have got gaskell off you we would have been set up for a good run at the league. but still think in robinson and brough we have a good combo (better than saints perhaps) and as a result id argue that we have genuine quality and are deserving of our previous positions and arnt just an over achieving squad.

Re: First Sacking of 2013...? : Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:49 pm  

tarmit1989 wrote:

i think huddersfield (as a huddersfield fan, I am naturally going to think this) are going to do a hell of a lot better this year. we have made some good aqusitions and bolstered a pack that was mutilated by Nathan Brown. if only we could have got gaskell off you we would have been set up for a good run at the league. but still think in robinson and brough we have a good combo (better than saints perhaps) and as a result id argue that we have genuine quality and are deserving of our previous positions and arnt just an over achieving squad.

I honestly think hudds over achieved under Brown and IMO appointing Anderson is a massive mistake.

I think hudds will struggle to make the top eight.

Re: First Sacking of 2013...? : Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:48 pm  

struggle to make top 8? really? I'm thinking 5,6 or 7 this year.

Warrington
Wigan
Leeds (if they bother with the rounds of just focus on the playoffs)
Saints
Catalans
Hull FC
Huddersfield
Bradford
Hull KR
Castleford (depending if Chase turns up)
Wakefield
London
Widness
Salford

Re: First Sacking of 2013...? : Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:55 pm  

You'd have to be a very poor team to not be able to make the top 8 next year... It's shaping up to be the weakest league competition in living memory.

Re: First Sacking of 2013...? : Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:20 pm  

tarmit1989 wrote:

struggle to make top 8? really? I'm thinking 5,6 or 7 this year.

Warrington
Wigan
Leeds (if they bother with the rounds of just focus on the playoffs)
Saints
Catalans
Hull FC
Huddersfield
Bradford
Hull KR
Castleford (depending if Chase turns up)
Wakefield
London
Widness
Salford

I said struggle to make the top eight and you've got the giants at 7th so its clear we are not far off agreeing.

Looking at the teams next year, then I'd say you prob will scrape into the 8

Re: First Sacking of 2013...? : Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:57 pm  

tarmit1989 wrote:

i think huddersfield (as a huddersfield fan, I am naturally going to think this) are going to do a hell of a lot better this year. we have made some good aqusitions and bolstered a pack that was mutilated by Nathan Brown. if only we could have got gaskell off you we would have been set up for a good run at the league. but still think in robinson and brough we have a good combo (better than saints perhaps) and as a result id argue that we have genuine quality and are deserving of our previous positions and arnt just an over achieving squad.

As you say you are going to hope for the best being a Huddersfield fan but you also do have more time watching them so I think it balances itself out a bit.

I have to agree with my fellow Saints fans that you lot are not likely to finish out of the top 8 on the basis that there are too many poor sides in the league.

From our experience watching Saints, we can say that you can finish in the same position as you did in the previous season and have very different feeling about how the season went. Some seasons we have finished second and have been happy with what the team has achieved and feel a bit sorry for them that they did not go one step further. Other seasons we have been lucky to finish high up the table and have known that we were a million miles away from winning anything despite making semis and finals.

I think Huddersfield could have a similar finish but I think you could be disappointed by the way they achieved it. But anyway best of luck for next year. I hope you are right and you have a good one.

Re: First Sacking of 2013...? : Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:36 pm  

Noel Cleal wrote:

Anyone can lead a marathon for the first few miles. Was it Brown or Huddersfield, we will find out this year.

SGI never crashed late in the season under Brown, so I suspect that Huddersfield may have not had the quality to last the distance. This is why I think Anderson is under more risk than many on here believe.

Huddersfield in my eyes have an over achieving squad that has lost some good players and an untested coach who seem to have an idealistic attitude imo. The thing that could save Anderson is Ken Davy seems a reasonable guy.

Maybe it is not the team or the players that matter, maybe it is the chairman. This is why Hull looks like a good bet.

SGI consistently underperformed in the play offs under Brown. In knock out games Brown's teams are frequently poor when they are expected to win, slightly better as underdogs.

At SGI there was also inconsistency with runs of 4/ 5 losses and runs of up to 7 straight wins.

The combination of tactical inflexibility (Tony Smith regularly outsmarts him) and over mateyness with cliques of players point to him being a very good assistant coach but not one who will build a champion side.

Re: First Sacking of 2013...? : Tue Dec 04, 2012 1:07 pm  

Given his contract and the need for the club to stop losing money, I think we can all agree that Nathan Brown will not be sacked next year.