Re: The Greatest : Sun Oct 07, 2012 10:41 am  

Blobbynator wrote:

You've posted some ridiculous things in your time but this has to be up there with the best of them.

Exactly. Let's have some credit for Leeds' incredible achievement. They have some amazing mental toughness.

Re: The Greatest : Sun Oct 07, 2012 10:46 am  

Blobbynator wrote:

You've posted some ridiculous things in your time but this has to be up there with the best of them.

And you still need to learn how to read.

5 Grand Final wins in 6 years is a remarkable achievement in the modern day when you have 4 or 5 teams that could potentially win it.

Where did I say it wasn't? That's right. Nowhere. I said 'that's it'. People are assuming that winning grand finals is ALL there is. I am disagreeing with that point. Saints have not simply been the most consistent team. They did the treble in 2006 and only lost four games in one season. They then went on to win the world club challenge, win two more Challenge Cups, got to five more grand finals, won four league leaders shields on the spin, AND we had previously won Grand Finals and Challenge Cups in the Superleague era prior to that peak period.

So no, Leeds are not the best team in the Superleague era as they haven't achieved even the double yet. They have been good only at winning grand finals, with the odd league leaders shield and world club challenge thrown in. Winning six championships (one more than us) is indeed a tremendous achievement and nowhere have I said otherwise. However, this trend of Saints fans to big them up into an all-round best team each time they win the championship is wide of the mark.

Re: The Greatest : Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:20 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

Where did I say it wasn't? That's right. Nowhere. I said 'that's it'. People are assuming that winning grand finals is ALL there is. I am disagreeing with that point. Saints have not simply been the most consistent team. They did the treble in 2006 and only lost four games in one season. They then went on to win the world club challenge, win two more Challenge Cups, got to five more grand finals, won four league leaders shields on the spin, AND we had previously won Grand Finals and Challenge Cups in the Superleague era prior to that peak period.

So no, Leeds are not the best team in the Superleague era as they haven't achieved even the double yet. They have been good only at winning grand finals, with the odd league leaders shield and world club challenge thrown in. Winning six championships (one more than us) is indeed a tremendous achievement and nowhere have I said otherwise. However, this trend of Saints fans to big them up into an all-round best team each time they win the championship is wide of the mark.

Don't always agree with Saints Fan, but agree 100% on this one.

Re: The Greatest : Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:52 am  

In terms of just the super league then yes they are the the best team winning 6 times overall and the sucsess they have had in the last few years with the squad they have is amazing. To say they are the best in the super league era is wrong as the term super league era covers every competition and over the course of the super league ere we more than match up.

Re: The Greatest : Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:14 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

So no, Leeds are not the best team in the Superleague era

It depends how you define it. Is it a particular team from one season, or the era of group of players spanning a few seasons? is it on trophies overall throughout super league or titles? Is it based on who has done the double, or the individuals within the teams and how they performed? All/most of the above?

Theres lots of different parametres. On balance you'd probably have leeds 2nd behind saints due to overall trophies. But leeds have won more titles now and I've already seen it mentioned in the media that they are the most successful super league team, due to all those titles.

Some of saints teams of the past are remembered for their flair and outrageous tries. I think in years to come this current leeds team will be remembered for it's unwavering belief and mental toughness. I've lost count of the amount of times they've been in sticky situations, where most other teams would fade and they've somehow found a way out of it.

Re: The Greatest : Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:15 pm  

Tony Soprano wrote:

I've read the embarrassing posts you made about graham so to be brutally honest anything you post is meaningless to me

It's times like this that I almost wish I hadn't blocked her ramblings for the sake of my own sanity... I mean - "they're not the best team, they're just the best at winning trophies" My aching sides... Pure comedy gold...

Re: The Greatest : Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:08 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Why do some Saints fans need to do this each year?

All that Leeds have been in the Superleague era, and then only latterly, is the play off experts. That's it really. They can't buy a challenge cup win and they've managed league leaders shield, what, three times? But they have won six grand finals, four of them against one team.

Let's not go overboard just because they won another grand final. Until Sinfield retires they are going to be a threat at grand final time but that's it.

While the is a play off system it obviously doesn't matter where you finish just as long as you make the play offs.

Every team knows the situation and its all about coming good when it matters. Warrington would IMO finished top of the league thus year if that's how you become champions but how do we know Leeds wouldbt go all out for top spot if that's what required to be champs.

It's no fluke that Leeds won it again.

Re: The Greatest : Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:22 pm  

Peter Kingsley wrote:

It depends how you define it.

I think everyone defines success in one way: winning silverware. Since we have won the most silverware so far in the superleague era, ergo we are the best team in the superleague era. That will change as time passes but just now we are still the best team in the superleague era.

Re: The Greatest : Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:42 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Why do some Saints fans need to do this each year?

All that Leeds have been in the Superleague era, and then only latterly, is the play off experts. That's it really. They can't buy a challenge cup win and they've managed league leaders shield, what, three times? But they have won six grand finals, four of them against one team.

Let's not go overboard just because they won another grand final. Until Sinfield retires they are going to be a threat at grand final time but that's it.

Saints are still hanging on there as the greatest team in the super league era, its just that we have won a fat zero in the last 5 seasons. We are pretty close to having won twice as many trophies as Leeds. Think we have about 18 trophies in our super league history where Leeds I'm not sure but I think they have just hit double figures.

Re: The Greatest : Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:39 pm  

They'll be in the discussion with us and Bradford.