Re: Saints team of 2006 : Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:54 pm  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

What a hilariously poor attempt at trolling.

And what, as a Mod, have you done about it?

Re: Saints team of 2006 : Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:11 am  

Now then it's time for part two.

Firstly you need to know that I am comparing the 2012 Warrington team against the 2006 Saints team. A lot of you became apoplectic when I said that 2012 Mickey Higham is better than the 2006 James Roby. Before you get your shell suits all creased up again read, remember I have compared this years 2012 Warrington team against the Saints team of 2006 & not today's team.

So here it is again.

1 Hodgson Vs Wellens = Hodgson
2 Riley Vs Gardner = Riley
3 Ratchford Vs Lyons = Lyons
4 Atkins Vs Talau = Ryan
5 Monas J Vs Meli = Joel
6 Briers Vs Pryce = Lee (and you know it)
7 Myler Vs Long = Long ( but Richie is only 22)
8 Moz Vs Cayless = Moz
9 Monas M Vs Cunningham = Cunningham (but only just)
10 Carvell Vs Anderson P = Carvell
11 Westwood Vs Wilkin = Benny all day long
12 Waterhouse Vs Gilmour = Trent
13 Ben Harrison Vs Scully = Scully (legend)

14 Mickey Higham Vs Roby = Mickey (as with Richie I have compared the 2006 Sts team with our team today, so it Mickey)
15 Woody Vs Graham = Graham
16 Hill Vs Fa'asavalu = Hilly
17 Grix Vs Hooper = Hooper

Coach: Tony Smith Vs Daniel Anderson = Tony Smith

Out of the 18 comparisons I make it Warrington taking 12 wins.

Re: Saints team of 2006 : Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:33 am  

Fatbelly wrote:

Firstly you need to know that I am comparing the 2012 Warrington team against the 2006 Saints team.

Ok, so given that logic, your first selection is -

1 Hodgson Vs Wellens = Hodgson

Right. Remind me, who won Man of Steel in 2006?

As someone else said, jog on.

Re: Saints team of 2006 : Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:49 am  

Fatbelly wrote: Firstly you need to know that I am comparing the 2012 Warrington team against the 2006 Saints team. So am I (more fool me I know, but I'm bored). Saints 2006 won the regular season by a clear eight points. The vastly superior Warrington team of 2012 finished second, one point behind Wigan. Saints 2006 lost four competitive games throughout that season: By three points to Huddersfield away (first away defeat in eleven months, without Lyon and Long and with Pryce on the bench and a pair of 18 year old half-backs), by one point to Hull FC (H) and two points to Bradford (A) in consecutive weeks, and finally by four points to Catalans the week before the CC Final with a team that had an average age of 19. Despite playing a regular season round less than Saints 2006 (27 compared to 28), Warrington 2012 lost six and drew one of their regular season games (conceding 48 points at Salford and 62 points at London) and also had an additional (comprehensive) defeat in the play-offs. Saints 2006 scored 30 more points than Warrington 2012 in the regular season, understandable given the extra game. However, the Warrington 2012 team managed to concede 109 more points (539) than Saints 2006 (430) despite playing a game less.

Fatbelly wrote: Firstly you need to know that I am comparing the 2012 Warrington team against the 2006 Saints team. So am I (more fool me I know, but I'm bored). Saints 2006 won the regular season by a clear eight points. The vastly superior Warrington team of 2012 finished second, one point behind Wigan. Saints 2006 lost four competitive games throughout that season: By three points to Huddersfield away (first away defeat in eleven months, without Lyon and Long and with Pryce on the bench and a pair of 18 year old half-backs), by one point to Hull FC (H) and two points to Bradford (A) in consecutive weeks, and finally by four points to Catalans the week before the CC Final with a team that had an average age of 19. Despite playing a regular season round less than Saints 2006 (27 compared to 28), Warrington 2012 lost six and drew one of their regular season games (conceding 48 points at Salford and 62 points at London) and also had an additional (comprehensive) defeat in the play-offs. Saints 2006 scored 30 more points than Warrington 2012 in the regular season, understandable given the extra game. However, the Warrington 2012 team managed to concede 109 more points (539) than Saints 2006 (430) despite playing a game less.

Re: Saints team of 2006 : Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:02 am  

The Saints team of 2006 won the CC, League Leaders Shield, Grand Final & BBC Team of the Year. Individually we won SL Coach of Year, Young Player of Year, MOS and BBC Coach of Year. We won 32 out of 36 games, and the negative points difference of the 4 games we lost was only 10 points combined.

The Saints of 2006 was the best club side SL has seen, and by far still remains the best club side since the Wigan invincibles, anybody with half an ounce of rugby league knowledge would be able to recognise that.

As for the joker making comparisons, Mick Higham was allowed to leave Saints at the end of 2005 because he wasnt good enough to keep KC or Roby out of our team at 9, so how you can say he is better than Roby is beyond me.

To say Tony Smith is better than DA is also a brave call, seeing as Smith came to SL as a coach in 2000 and has coached SL for 11 seasons (1 where Giants were relegated) and in that time has won 3 Challenge Cups, 2 Grand Finals, 1 WCC and 2 League Leaders Shields (a total of 8 trophies). DA was in SL for 3 and a half years, and managed to win 3 Challenge Cups, 4 League Leaders Shields, 1 Grand Final and 1 WCC(a total of 9 trophies).

Overall, the Saints team of 2006 won 3 trophies in that year alone, Warrington have managed 4 trophies in 16 years of SL...therefore to me there isnt really a comparison to be made.

Re: Saints team of 2006 : Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:04 am  

Was the 2006 side even the best Saints side in the SL era...?

Re: Saints team of 2006 : Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:10 am  

Fatbelly wrote:

Now then it's time for part two.

Firstly you need to know that I am comparing the 2012 Warrington team against the 2006 Saints team. A lot of you became apoplectic when I said that 2012 Mickey Higham is better than the 2006 James Roby. Before you get your shell suits all creased up again read, remember I have compared this years 2012 Warrington team against the Saints team of 2006 & not today's team.

So here it is again.

1 Hodgson Vs Wellens = Hodgson
2 Riley Vs Gardner = Riley
3 Ratchford Vs Lyons = Lyons
4 Atkins Vs Talau = Ryan
5 Monas J Vs Meli = Joel
6 Briers Vs Pryce = Lee (and you know it)
7 Myler Vs Long = Long ( but Richie is only 22)
8 Moz Vs Cayless = Moz
9 Monas M Vs Cunningham = Cunningham (but only just)
10 Carvell Vs Anderson P = Carvell
11 Westwood Vs Wilkin = Benny all day long
12 Waterhouse Vs Gilmour = Trent
13 Ben Harrison Vs Scully = Scully (legend)

14 Mickey Higham Vs Roby = Mickey (as with Richie I have compared the 2006 Sts team with our team today, so it Mickey)
15 Woody Vs Graham = Graham
16 Hill Vs Fa'asavalu = Hilly
17 Grix Vs Hooper = Hooper

Coach: Tony Smith Vs Daniel Anderson = Tony Smith

Out of the 18 comparisons I make it Warrington taking 12 wins.

If I actually thought you were serious, I'd get you sectioned!!!!

Re: Saints team of 2006 : Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:27 am  

Th'ump wrote:

Was the 2006 side even the best Saints side in the SL era...?

Be a tough call - 99/00 was very good, as was 2002 and 2004 could have been until Longy and Gleeson bet against us and got banned. Think you would have to say 06 was the best we have had though

Re: Saints team of 2006 : Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:53 am  

Fatbelly wrote:

Now then it's time for part two.

Firstly you need to know that I am comparing the 2012 Warrington team against the 2006 Saints team. A lot of you became apoplectic when I said that 2012 Mickey Higham is better than the 2006 James Roby. Before you get your shell suits all creased up again read, remember I have compared this years 2012 Warrington team against the Saints team of 2006 & not today's team.

So here it is again.

1 Hodgson Vs Wellens = Hodgson
2 Riley Vs Gardner = Riley
3 Ratchford Vs Lyons = Lyons
4 Atkins Vs Talau = Ryan
5 Monas J Vs Meli = Joel
6 Briers Vs Pryce = Lee (and you know it)
7 Myler Vs Long = Long ( but Richie is only 22)
8 Moz Vs Cayless = Moz
9 Monas M Vs Cunningham = Cunningham (but only just)
10 Carvell Vs Anderson P = Carvell
11 Westwood Vs Wilkin = Benny all day long
12 Waterhouse Vs Gilmour = Trent
13 Ben Harrison Vs Scully = Scully (legend)

14 Mickey Higham Vs Roby = Mickey (as with Richie I have compared the 2006 Sts team with our team today, so it Mickey)
15 Woody Vs Graham = Graham
16 Hill Vs Fa'asavalu = Hilly
17 Grix Vs Hooper = Hooper

Coach: Tony Smith Vs Daniel Anderson = Tony Smith

Out of the 18 comparisons I make it Warrington taking 12 wins.

As a neutral in this debate I don't disagree with 90% of your man by man comparisons, but what you haven't touched on is how they actually performed as team.

As a unit the 06 saints team were above the current warrington team. They lost only 3 games all season by no more than 4 points. They were relentless in defence, had forward steel and redfined the way teams attack in super league. Now many teams (including wigan and warrington) attack the same pattern as the saints 06 team, very much like in the nrl at the time.

So no, the current warrington team isn't a match for the 06 saints team and it's probably not suprising that after such highs, saints have seen a decline over the last half decade.

Re: Saints team of 2006 : Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:14 pm  

The 2006 Saints is the finest this country has produced during the professional era. This year's Wire team isn't even as good as last year's Wire team.