Re: The Shenton enigma. : Wed May 23, 2012 6:25 pm  

Dettoriman wrote:

Everytime he has been taken off of the field, Club or Country, The side has been much weaker for it.

I agree. I remember the 4N Final at Leeds and I remember the Grand Final last year. His departure at both had a massive impact. He was also one of the better England players in the last 4N down under.

Mind you, on all those occasions he didn't have an extremely dodgy elbow. That ongoing injury - the strapping on his arm is massive - could be what has undermined him this season, along with the very obvious one of hardly ever getting the ball.

Re: The Shenton enigma. : Wed May 23, 2012 6:55 pm  

It was an improved performance from him. Defence was still a bit ropey, but he was getting more involve and looking for work a bit more.

Anyone would think he was in the middle of contract negotiations or something...

Re: The Shenton enigma. : Wed May 23, 2012 6:58 pm  

Dettoriman wrote:

It appears, Hull Kr have withdrawn their offer, And he will be coming to Cas

Hull KR aparentley have never even made an offer as of yet where as you lot have clearly bit the bullet due to losing Arundel and have taken a chance that he can get back to some relative sort of form,if anyone can get him firing then it's Basil

Personally speaking here but Shenton is not of the required quality desired by the Saints as we've clearly been spoilt most recently by the likes of Newlove,Lyon and Gidley,how could Shenton ever follow that?

Re: The Shenton enigma. : Wed May 23, 2012 7:19 pm  

I Grope Balls wrote:

Hull KR aparentley have never even made an offer as of yet where as you lot have clearly bit the bullet due to losing Arundel and have taken a chance that he can get back to some relative sort of form,if anyone can get him firing then it's Basil

Personally speaking here but Shenton is not of the required quality desired by the Saints as we've clearly been spoilt most recently by the likes of Newlove,Lyon and Gidley,how could Shenton ever follow that?

The difference between the likes of newlove, Lyon and gidkey(in his prime) is they didn't rely on good ball, they can make something out if a simple pass.

Shenton needs to be basically put they a gap.

Re: The Shenton enigma. : Thu May 24, 2012 2:24 am  

St pete wrote:

The difference between the likes of newlove, Lyon and gidkey(in his prime) is they didn't rely on good ball, they can make something out if a simple pass.

Shenton needs to be basically put they a gap.

Indeed true, but at the risk of sounding like a broken record, there are no Lyons, Gidleys, Newloves, Iros, Judases, Loughlins, Gibbses, Gleesons, Huntes etc. etc. etc. out there right now - that 3/4 talent simply does not exist in the British game at the moment. Shenton on his best form of a few years ago is one of the 2 or 3 best centres in the country right now. Average at best by the standards of 10/15 years ago, but one of the best by the standards of now. There is no point moaning about how average he is compared to Saints legends past - we have to live in the cold hard world of reality and not in a fantasy sun-drenched land where we can pick Newloves and Connollys off trees. As things stand right now for next season we're relying on a #6 who is injured 80% of the time, an 18 year old kid and (probably) a guy who's had no more than a few good games at centre over his entire career so far fighting out the #3 and #4 shirts. That's a worrying place to be if you ask me...

Maybe he'll never recover that form. Maybe the injury has just taken too much out of him. Maybe he just doesn't fit in at Saints and can't settle here. Maybe he's sick of picking daisies up on the touchline waiting for Lomax and Hohaia to remember he exists. Maybe he hates the other players or the coaching staff. Maybe he simply just doesn't want to be here anymore. Maybe Wheeler will finally stay fit and develop into the top player he has the potential to be. Maybe Jones will do the same. Maybe the name "Shenton" will join the ranks of "Carrington", "Trindell", "Kebbie" and "Hohaia" in the great annals of signings we all want to forget about and are glad to see shut of. But if we do let Shenton go we may very well live to regret it.

Re: The Shenton enigma. : Thu May 24, 2012 7:05 am  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

Indeed true, but at the risk of sounding like a broken record, there are no Lyons, Gidleys, Newloves, Iros, Judases, Loughlins, Gibbses, Gleesons, Huntes etc. etc. etc. out there right now - that 3/4 talent simply does not exist in the British game at the moment. Shenton on his best form of a few years ago is one of the 2 or 3 best centres in the country right now. Average at best by the standards of 10/15 years ago, but one of the best by the standards of now. There is no point moaning about how average he is compared to Saints legends past - we have to live in the cold hard world of reality and not in a fantasy sun-drenched land where we can pick Newloves and Connollys off trees. As things stand right now for next season we're relying on a #6 who is injured 80% of the time, an 18 year old kid and (probably) a guy who's had no more than a few good games at centre over his entire career so far fighting out the #3 and #4 shirts. That's a worrying place to be if you ask me...

Maybe he'll never recover that form. Maybe the injury has just taken too much out of him. Maybe he just doesn't fit in at Saints and can't settle here. Maybe he's sick of picking daisies up on the touchline waiting for Lomax and Hohaia to remember he exists. Maybe he hates the other players or the coaching staff. Maybe he simply just doesn't want to be here anymore. Maybe Wheeler will finally stay fit and develop into the top player he has the potential to be. Maybe Jones will do the same. Maybe the name "Shenton" will join the ranks of "Carrington", "Trindell", "Kebbie" and "Hohaia" in the great annals of signings we all want to forget about and are glad to see shut of. But if we do let Shenton go we may very well live to regret it.

I'm not calling him a bad player as he's shown he can good player and at the back end of last year looked a top class centre.

I just don't think he fits in. Maybe it was the love of playing for his home town club that gave him motivation, maybe he feels like a lesser player in a team of more stars than cas, maybe he don't like the travel every day or maybe we just don't fit together in terms of style.

I honestly think its best for both parties that he leaves at the end of the year. I don't think he wants to be 100% here and I don't think Nathan Brown wants him a 100% either.

I spoke to shenton last year in the week leading up to the grand final and he was giddy as hell about the game. He kept saying this is why I signed for saints and he couldn't wait for the final.

IMHO I just think he's a down to earth home town lad.

Re: The Shenton enigma. : Thu May 24, 2012 8:03 am  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

Indeed true, but at the risk of sounding like a broken record, there are no Lyons, Gidleys, Newloves, Iros, Judases, Loughlins, Gibbses, Gleesons, Huntes etc. etc. etc. out there right now - that 3/4 talent simply does not exist in the British game at the moment. Shenton on his best form of a few years ago is one of the 2 or 3 best centres in the country right now. Average at best by the standards of 10/15 years ago, but one of the best by the standards of now. There is no point moaning about how average he is compared to Saints legends past - we have to live in the cold hard world of reality and not in a fantasy sun-drenched land where we can pick Newloves and Connollys off trees. As things stand right now for next season we're relying on a #6 who is injured 80% of the time, an 18 year old kid and (probably) a guy who's had no more than a few good games at centre over his entire career so far fighting out the #3 and #4 shirts. That's a worrying place to be if you ask me...

Maybe he'll never recover that form. Maybe the injury has just taken too much out of him. Maybe he just doesn't fit in at Saints and can't settle here. Maybe he's sick of picking daisies up on the touchline waiting for Lomax and Hohaia to remember he exists. Maybe he hates the other players or the coaching staff. Maybe he simply just doesn't want to be here anymore. Maybe Wheeler will finally stay fit and develop into the top player he has the potential to be. Maybe Jones will do the same. Maybe the name "Shenton" will join the ranks of "Carrington", "Trindell", "Kebbie" and "Hohaia" in the great annals of signings we all want to forget about and are glad to see shut of. But if we do let Shenton go we may very well live to regret it.

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Re: The Shenton enigma. : Thu May 24, 2012 2:47 pm  

St pete wrote:

IMHO I just think he's a down to earth home town lad.

So was Newlove, and he didn't do too badly in red vee

Re: The Shenton enigma. : Thu May 24, 2012 3:00 pm  

Why is everyone making Gidley out to be some form of god? He was no better than Shenton for most of his stay with us and his final year was absolutely appalling, he was anonymous throughout.

Re: The Shenton enigma. : Thu May 24, 2012 3:08 pm  

St pete wrote:

The difference between the likes of newlove, Lyon and gidkey(in his prime) is they didn't rely on good ball, they can make something out if a simple pass.

Shenton needs to be basically put they a gap.

Newlove. Christ I really don't see why everyone is so up his backside.

He was OK when he was about 18 and at Featherstone. Played for GB and lived off that for the rest of his career. In later life he was tubby, not particularly quick, couldn't tackle and was lazy. The most annoying thing by far was as soon as a GB series was announced, he couldn't get his "I'm not available" note into the RFL quickly enough, which not only shows contempt for his country, but also shows his arrogance in assuming he'd be picked in the first place.