Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Sat May 12, 2012 5:34 pm  

Famous wrote:

Why unless his pack is on top he is useless.

So like any other back/hooker then yes?

His all round game is very limited and he often makes Saints one dimensional.

Roby is our best defender, best support player, best meter gainer, etc...

Far from one dimensional I'm afraid.

I am not saying that Roby wouldnt make Wigan's 17, he would, it would just be on the bench for his impact.

Now you're being silly

McIlorum has more of an all round game and is a better starting hooker imo

That post has sure made my day

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Sat May 12, 2012 5:38 pm  

Famous wrote:

Why unless his pack is on top he is useless. His all round game is very limited and he often makes Saints one dimensional. McIlorum has more of an all round game and is a better starting hooker imo. I am not saying that Roby wouldnt make Wigan's 17, he would, it would just be on the bench for his impact.

Are you on glue or something ??

You are obviously orgasmic about todays win , but I had to read your post a few times over just to make sure you were been serious , still not sure we are talking about the same James Roby .

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Sat May 12, 2012 5:40 pm  

Famous wrote:

Even then I would only have Roby on the bench and would have McIlorum starting.

That's the most biased thing I've ever seen written by anyone.

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Sat May 12, 2012 5:44 pm  

That post is worthy of being in my signiture...

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Sat May 12, 2012 5:52 pm  

Albion wrote:

That post is worthy of being in my signiture...

Thanks

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Sat May 12, 2012 6:13 pm  

Is that Wheeler naturally a centre? People give Shenton some hammer but this guy didn't look anything other then a championship plodder. Where's Gaskel and TP? Wellens has definitely had his day, but whilst he's fit, hohaia wont get a chance to play full back and will continue to be average at 6. It definitely isn't doom and gloom for you lot, as you showed when you battered leeds & wire, that you can beat anyone on your day, i think you need to just accept this year has a bit of dip then go stronger next year.

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Sat May 12, 2012 6:15 pm  

Albion wrote:

Roby is our best defender, best support player, best meter gainer, etc...

Which says it all about your team. The fact that he hogs the ball and makes so many scoots looks great from an individual stats point of view but does it always help the team, its play and its structure, as a whole. Saints fans complain about their lack of threat outwide but are that blinded that they cant see that much of this lack of threat comes from Roby directing play down the middle when there are glaring overlaps out wide. As a hooker I would expect him to be a good support player so its neither here nor there. Also he may make a lot of tackles, as most hookers do, particularly 80 minutes ones like Roby, but he doesnt hit hard and is rarely dominant like someone like McIlorum is. Horses for courses but in a close, tense match McIlorum offers more for me and is more of a starting hooker.

Albion wrote:

Far from one dimensional I'm afraid.

Of course he is. His organising from dummy half is poor and his passing is poor. I have never seen him play well when his pack is not dominant or for England for that matter. Today Saints were camped on Wigan's line and Roby consistently chose the wrong options from dummy half. If the scoot isn on he hasnt a clue.

I find it amusing that you are all only arguing about whether Roby would start in Wigans team or not. You lot obviously conceed that the rest of your team wouldnt get in the Wigan 17.

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Sat May 12, 2012 6:25 pm  

Famous wrote:

Which says it all about your team. The fact that he hogs the ball and makes so many scoots looks great from an individual stats point of view but does it always help the team, its play and its structure, as a whole. Saints fans complain about their lack of threat outwide but are that blinded that they cant see that much of this lack of threat comes from Roby directing play down the middle when there are glaring overlaps out wide. As a hooker I would expect him to be a good support player so its neither here nor there. Also he may make a lot of tackles, as most hookers do, particularly 80 minutes ones like Roby, but he doesnt hit hard and is rarely dominant like someone like McIlorum is. Horses for courses but in a close, tense match McIlorum offers more for me and is more of a starting hooker.

Of course he is. His organising from dummy half is poor and his passing is poor. I have never seen him play well when his pack is not dominant or for England for that matter. Today Saints were camped on Wigan's line and Roby consistently chose the wrong options from dummy half. If the scoot isn on he hasnt a clue.

I find it amusing that you are all only arguing about whether Roby would start in Wigans team or not. You lot obviously conceed that the rest of your team wouldnt get in the Wigan 17.

Quit the drivel you shame our town with your inane wittering.

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Sat May 12, 2012 6:39 pm  

Famous wrote:

but does it always help the team

Yes; unfortunately he is the only player that get's us to the part of the field where you need to be...you need to make yards, and it just happens that 70% of that comes through James Roby. So in answer to your bewildering question: yes making yards does help the team.

but he doesnt hit hard and is rarely dominant like someone like McIlorum is.

Why do you have to hit hard? As long as his tackles are effective, which they are, then I don't see the need for a player like Roby to hit hard.

McIlorum offers more for me and is more of a starting hooker.

I have never seen him play well when his pack is not dominant or for England for that matter.

Are you actually being serious with the former; the latter is a ridiculous comment considering that you could count on one hand the amount of players who have actually played well for England.

Today Saints were camped on Wigan's line and Roby consistently chose the wrong options from dummy half. If the scoot isn on he hasnt a clue.

That isn't the hooker's problem...if you actually had half a rugby brain you'd see that our problem lies in the halves.

I find it amusing that you are all only arguing about whether Roby would start in Wigans team or not. You lot obviously conceed that the rest of your team wouldnt get in the Wigan 17.

Possibly because we aren't biased or blinkered unlike some...

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Sat May 12, 2012 7:18 pm  

The highlight of the game for me was when Clare balding pointed out after the gave that the couple from saints that she said had just got married was infact brother and sister.

Isn't it Wigan people that do that sort of stuff?