Re: Where are Jon Wilkin's priorities? : Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:55 pm  

Offside Monkey wrote:

I'm not having a go, but he is supposed to be one of our smarter players. For intance , if he spent the whole game offering himself as a simple runner on Lomax's inside, it would help immensly. Saying that, if he's had different instructions.....

I find this a strange criticism, given he probably offers himself more than any other player in the squad, whilst running himself into the ground in defence.

Think I must watch a different player to some on here at times.

Re: Where are Jon Wilkin's priorities? : Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:59 pm  

Wilkin has been misused by a succession of coaches at Saints, and as a result, we have never seen the best of him. He was singed as the "new Scully", but has never yet been given the 13 shirt. I think that sums up how he has been treated. Hopefully, the change of coach can bring our the best in Wilkin, give him the 13 jersey, as a traditional ball playing, kicking, loose forward in the Sinfield, Scully, Harry Pinner mould, and lets see what he can do. Otherwise, he will end his career as a player who never fulfilled his potential due to mismangement. I belive we are lucky to have retained him, he could easily have gone elsewhere for a regular 13 jersey.

Re: Where are Jon Wilkin's priorities? : Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:02 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

I find this a strange criticism, given he probably offers himself more than any other player in the squad, whilst running himself into the ground in defence.

Think I must watch a different player to some on here at times.

Wilkin doesn't deserve individual criticism IMO, I'm just spitballing as to ways our current plight could/will be solved.
Whilst I agree he is a willing runner, it would have shown good ingenuity if he'd taken the decision to move in field from his usual wider line to play the role I mentioned. That may have helped pull in the defence more in the last couple of games.

Re: Where are Jon Wilkin's priorities? : Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:03 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

No one disputes whether Wilkin is putting the work in. It's his leadership and direction, or lack thereof which is in question at precisely the time when we need both the most.

Exactly.

Re: Where are Jon Wilkin's priorities? : Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:26 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

No one disputes whether Wilkin is putting the work in. It's his leadership and direction, or lack thereof which is in question at precisely the time when we need both the most.

Unfortunately some people simply aren't leaders and that is maybe the case with wilkin. It's easier to train a player to tackle or pass or kick than to lead. Roby is a genuine world class player who I don't really see as a leader. Newlove was never a leader. We are asking wilkin to do everything, let's give him a break from being a leader too?

Re: Where are Jon Wilkin's priorities? : Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:26 pm  

Sthelens RLFC wrote:

What specifically is he not doing?

He is not taking control of the play when it is obvious Gaskell and Lomax are struggling. This is a guy who has played entire games in the halves, dictating the pace and direction of Saints' attack (with effective passing and kicking), often to enormous effect.

Against Hull it was obvious Lomax was falling apart. Even simple passing moves were being blown, mistimed etc. During periods like these you need an experienced, tactically aware player to assume some semblance of control and relieve the pressure from the youngsters. Wilkin has done this in the past. He is not doing it now - for whatever reason.

Re: Where are Jon Wilkin's priorities? : Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:29 pm  

SomersetSaint wrote:

Unfortunately some people simply aren't leaders and that is maybe the case with wilkin. It's easier to train a player to tackle or pass or kick than to lead. Roby is a genuine world class player who I don't really see as a leader. Newlove was never a leader. We are asking wilkin to do everything, let's give him a break from being a leader too?

Rubbish. It wasn't two/three years ago when Wilkin almost single-handedly guided Saints to victory in the Challenge Cup at Leeds playing at stand-off. There were NO PROBLEMS with his leadership then.

Re: Where are Jon Wilkin's priorities? : Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:41 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

Rubbish. It wasn't two/three years ago when Wilkin almost single-handedly guided Saints to victory in the Challenge Cup at Leeds playing at stand-off. There were NO PROBLEMS with his leadership then.

People always bang on about that Leeds game but don't forget he was rubbish the week after at stand off and was moved back to the pack during the game.

Wilkin will be remembered for that game at Leeds, a challenge cup semi against a lower league club and also that he runs good lines.

Re: Where are Jon Wilkin's priorities? : Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:04 pm  

St pete wrote:

People always bang on about that Leeds game

As they should. He was exceptional.

but don't forget he was rubbish the week after at stand off and was moved back to the pack during the game.

It's not like he was destined to stay in that role forever. The positional change was purely temporary because of injuries. And Wilkin has performed a similar role - with varying degrees of success - for years. Unfortunately, he seems to have gone missing precisely when he is needed the most.

Re: Where are Jon Wilkin's priorities? : Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:20 pm  

St pete wrote:

People always bang on about that Leeds game but don't forget he was rubbish the week after at stand off and was moved back to the pack during the game.

He was also superb last season when asked by Royce to cover at stand off when we had no halves left at all.

Jon Wilkin is a natural talker. He loves sharing his opinions. He knows the game inside out and has a rugby brain. He's been at Saints almost as long as Wello. Therefore, he is the natural candidate to offer guidance to our inexperienced halfbacks but he has thus far declined to do it. Without Roby on the field as well we spent the last 2.5 games with nobody giving direction and Royce lost his job as a result.

Because Wilkin is a senior player with skill, knowledge, experience and longevity at the club it is absolutely right that people have higher expectations of him than of our less experienced or newer players. He has failed to take on his responsibilities for the sake of the team IMO.