Re: For those not on RedVee - New Flag : Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:45 am  

Tony Stark wrote:

SomersetSaint wrote:

Well this is all aimed at our young teenage supporters after all. Can't believe anyone old enough to legally drink a pint would be in the least bit impressed with all this talk of brigantes and vigilantes and whatever other thrilling names these kids like to be known as. It's just a way to appeal to the geeky youths who would otherwise be playing war games or spotting trains

What is exactly?

Its just a flag at the end of the day, like the many that adorned the back wall of the popular side at Knowsley Road for years? There are several more designs in the pipeline that will hopefully add even more colour to the existing ones and as the flag above hints at, help to provide a link to the club's past as it moves into its new home.

I appreciate there was talk of an 'Ultra's' type group on here and Redvee a while back, which was (perhaps rightly) derided and criticised by many because of both the tag used and the inevitable link to the 'Brigantes' over at Wigan. However, reading between the lines, I suspect that the sentiment of most of those involved (or in favour of the idea) was more to do with helping to see the return of the old atmosphere of 'the scaff' after a season at Widnes that saw the various vocal groups and individuals that had previously congregated on the popular side spread sporadically across the three stands at the Stobart. It has been acknowledged that the use of the term Ultras was somewhat misleading/misguided.

Back to the main point though, the flags at Saints are there for the enjoyment, benefit & in many cases recognition of everyone involved in the club - whether that be the supporters, the team as a whole, or for individual players & important figures at the club like Eamonn.

Non of the planned new flags are efforts at self-promotion nor are an attempt to create a 'brand'.
The design, manufacture and purchase of flags & banners is not exclusive to, or governed by any one particular group. However if someone does have an idea for a new flag but doesn't know how to go about creating or buying one, then there are a number of friendly people in the Saints community with experience and contacts that can offer advice and help, as well as provide a means (hopefully) for their flag to get displayed alongside the others.

to be fair i think sommerset saint was having a pop at wigan, not ski's efforts

Re: For those not on RedVee - New Flag : Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:23 am  

Well done guys and dolls. Great idea and hope you pull it off.

Re: For those not on RedVee - New Flag : Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:36 am  

Tony Stark wrote:

SomersetSaint wrote:

Well this is all aimed at our young teenage supporters after all. Can't believe anyone old enough to legally drink a pint would be in the least bit impressed with all this talk of brigantes and vigilantes and whatever other thrilling names these kids like to be known as. It's just a way to appeal to the geeky youths who would otherwise be playing war games or spotting trains

What is exactly?

Its just a flag at the end of the day, like the many that adorned the back wall of the popular side at Knowsley Road for years? There are several more designs in the pipeline that will hopefully add even more colour to the existing ones and as the flag above hints at, help to provide a link to the club's past as it moves into its new home.

I appreciate there was talk of an 'Ultra's' type group on here and Redvee a while back, which was (perhaps rightly) derided and criticised by many because of both the tag used and the inevitable link to the 'Brigantes' over at Wigan. However, reading between the lines, I suspect that the sentiment of most of those involved (or in favour of the idea) was more to do with helping to see the return of the old atmosphere of 'the scaff' after a season at Widnes that saw the various vocal groups and individuals that had previously congregated on the popular side spread sporadically across the three stands at the Stobart. It has been acknowledged that the use of the term Ultras was somewhat misleading/misguided.

Back to the main point though, the flags at Saints are there for the enjoyment, benefit & in many cases recognition of everyone involved in the club - whether that be the supporters, the team as a whole, or for individual players & important figures at the club like Eamonn.

Non of the planned new flags are efforts at self-promotion nor are an attempt to create a 'brand'.
The design, manufacture and purchase of flags & banners is not exclusive to, or governed by any one particular group. However if someone does have an idea for a new flag but doesn't know how to go about creating or buying one, then there are a number of friendly people in the Saints community with experience and contacts that can offer advice and help, as well as provide a means (hopefully) for their flag to get displayed alongside the others.

Where were you when I was trying to explain the 'Ultra St Helens' thread on redvee a while back?

Stick it on there! One read of this and everybody would've been on board,

Quality post!

Re: For those not on RedVee - New Flag : Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:46 pm  

Tony Stark wrote:

SomersetSaint wrote:

Well this is all aimed at our young teenage supporters after all. Can't believe anyone old enough to legally drink a pint would be in the least bit impressed with all this talk of brigantes and vigilantes and whatever other thrilling names these kids like to be known as. It's just a way to appeal to the geeky youths who would otherwise be playing war games or spotting trains

What is exactly?

Its just a flag at the end of the day, like the many that adorned the back wall of the popular side at Knowsley Road for years? There are several more designs in the pipeline that will hopefully add even more colour to the existing ones and as the flag above hints at, help to provide a link to the club's past as it moves into its new home.

I appreciate there was talk of an 'Ultra's' type group on here and Redvee a while back, which was (perhaps rightly) derided and criticised by many because of both the tag used and the inevitable link to the 'Brigantes' over at Wigan. However, reading between the lines, I suspect that the sentiment of most of those involved (or in favour of the idea) was more to do with helping to see the return of the old atmosphere of 'the scaff' after a season at Widnes that saw the various vocal groups and individuals that had previously congregated on the popular side spread sporadically across the three stands at the Stobart. It has been acknowledged that the use of the term Ultras was somewhat misleading/misguided.

Back to the main point though, the flags at Saints are there for the enjoyment, benefit & in many cases recognition of everyone involved in the club - whether that be the supporters, the team as a whole, or for individual players & important figures at the club like Eamonn.

Non of the planned new flags are efforts at self-promotion nor are an attempt to create a 'brand'.
The design, manufacture and purchase of flags & banners is not exclusive to, or governed by any one particular group. However if someone does have an idea for a new flag but doesn't know how to go about creating or buying one, then there are a number of friendly people in the Saints community with experience and contacts that can offer advice and help, as well as provide a means (hopefully) for their flag to get displayed alongside the others.

I think you've totally missed the point of his post TBH, he was talking about the Brigantes which absolutely WAS an attempt to create a 'brand'.

Nobody is bagging these Saints flags, or the people investing time and money in them, they're great. And not a skull, lion or silly moniker in sight.

Re: For those not on RedVee - New Flag : Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:21 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

I think you've totally missed the point of his post TBH, he was talking about the Brigantes which absolutely WAS an attempt to create a 'brand'.

Nobody is bagging these Saints flags, or the people investing time and money in them, they're great. And not a skull, lion or silly moniker in sight.

Why the problem with the Brigantes emblem's? If they as a group feel it's a tool in which they can use to gather resources and spread the word, great. I can understand why they need their own identity. For the two reason's already listed, plus it's to differentiate themselves from the club, so fans know what their donating towards.

Just for the record I'm not affiliated with the Briangtes in anyway shape or form. So I probably shouldn't be jumping to their defense, no matter how gay their moniker's may be. (That last sentence was a tongue in cheek comment before anyone starts.)

Re: For those not on RedVee - New Flag : Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:04 pm  

Simon and FearTheVee, it was only really the first paragraph that was aimed at Somerset, the rest was more for general consumption, I apologise if it all got a bit vitriolic but I just thought it needed saying as I get the impression some people are confusing the issue and others may think those involved with the flags are part of a clique.

I don't personally have a problem with what the brigantes do, if they want to try to add colour and noise to help the atmosphere at wigan then good on them. Doesn't mean i necessarily agree with some of their methods but that's not really any of my business.

Re: For those not on RedVee - New Flag : Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:21 pm  

The Ancient and Loyal flag should be all white, to recognise how they got their name in the first place.

Re: For those not on RedVee - New Flag : Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:45 pm  

I have nothing against flags, I made one myself for the CCF against widnes in 1976.

Re: For those not on RedVee - New Flag : Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:56 am  

what happened to the flag with beatles lyrics on, will it be made.

Re: For those not on RedVee - New Flag : Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:59 pm  

SomersetSaint wrote:

FearTheVee wrote:

Mark wrote:

Or Lions....raaaaaaarrrh

Stop it, children read this forum, that's terrifying.

Well this is all aimed at our young teenage supporters after all. Can't believe anyone old enough to legally drink a pint would be in the least bit impressed with all this talk of brigantes and vigilantes and whatever other thrilling names these kids like to be known as. It's just a way to appeal to the geeky youths who would otherwise be playing war games or spotting trains

Way off the mark. The majority of the Brigantes support is youth (ages range from around 16-40 odd I imagine) however I can't really think of any 'geeky youths' who take part. And after all, if a 'geeky youth' wants to get involved and generate atmosphere is there any reason why they shouldn't be allowed?

And the name of the group refers to a Roman tribe who once occupied the town. At least the Brigantes are trying to do something to generate an atmosphere instead of those who sit around behind a computer criticizing others.