Re: Salary cap amendment : Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:58 pm  

St pete wrote:

What if a club produces 3/4 top class players? They would then only be able to have one as their "star" player and would be punished for going with youth as other teams would take them.

I still think the idea of home grown players salary not counting 100% on the cap would be a better way forward. Example - home grown players salary only counting 60% on the cap.

That way teams will invest in youth more.

Pete you know that is something I've advocated for many years, and had a few arguments against (on here) particularly from Mike McClennan (a poster whose opinions I respect, but don't always agree with ) who argued that it would give too much advantage to some teams as they have better resources and therefore are able to invest more in their academy infrastructure.

Re: Salary cap amendment : Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:00 pm  

morleys_deckchair wrote:

It's a good point..... and it makes you wonder how many of the lower clubs will be able to make the most of this rule... my guess is none.

It's probably just going to benefit the bigger clubs, who already have a massive advantage.

The salary cap was introduced to create parity..... this new rule would appear to contradict the whole point of the cap.

When these smaller clubs produce a player of Sams quality then they can maybe have grounds for complaint.

Whilst they're filling their squads with 15 Aussies though they won't get much sympathy off me.

We need to build the game up not dumb it down.

Keeping a player like Sam Tomkins in this sport is far more important then keeping teams that aren't bringing anything to the table happy IMO.

Re: Salary cap amendment : Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:05 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

When these smaller clubs produce a player of Sams quality then they can maybe have grounds for complaint..

And how do you know they are not doing? Tomkins received a nauseating level of hype during 2011 to the exclusion of every other potentially gifted player in the league. That's because he's at a big club with money and mouth. But there is, say, Dan Sargison at the Broncos who apparently is a genuine talent. Will he get noticed in the same way? Will his team get the TV attention and media hype that Wigan got with Tomkins? Will the team he plays for ever be in a position to showcase him in the way Wigan can showcase Tomkins?

Re: Salary cap amendment : Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:07 pm  

St pete wrote:

What if a club produces 3/4 top class players? They would then only be able to have one as their "star" player and would be punished for going with youth as other teams would take them.

I still think the idea of home grown players salary not counting 100% on the cap would be a better way forward. Example - home grown players salary only counting 60% on the cap.

That way teams will invest in youth more.

Fully agree.

Having it as one homegrown player that wouldn't count punishes teams like Wigan and as a great example Saints.

With a rule in place where homegrown players don't count fully on the cap we'd really encourage clubs to produce more of their own. It would also allow Saints in the future to keep their Grahams and Eastmonds or more importantly their Roby's, Lomax's and Foster's.

Re: Salary cap amendment : Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:10 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

Fully agree.

Having it as one homegrown player that wouldn't count punishes teams like Wigan and as a great example Saints.

With a rule in place where homegrown players don't count fully on the cap we'd really encourage clubs to produce more of their own. It would also allow Saints in the future to keep their Grahams and Eastmonds or more importantly their Roby's, Lomax's and Foster's.

Exactly my point and I know n agrees with me on that.

Re: Salary cap amendment : Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:15 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

And how do you know they are not doing? Tomkins received a nauseating level of hype during 2011 to the exclusion of every other potentially gifted player in the league. That's because he's at a big club with money and mouth. But there is, say, Dan Sargison at the Broncos who apparently is a genuine talent. Will he get noticed in the same way? Will his team get the TV attention and media hype that Wigan got with Tomkins? Will the team he plays for ever be in a position to showcase him in the way Wigan can showcase Tomkins?

Sam gets hype because Sam is the finest back the country has produced in the superleague era and not because he plays for Wigan. He is world class and should be the lad we build the game around.

If any club produces a player as good they can pay him in golden nuggets for all I care.

As for Dan Sarginson he's a classy young player and if he produces magic like Sam his hype will go through the roof. A southerner playing rugby league to the level of Sam Tomkins would be simply sensational.

Re: Salary cap amendment : Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:52 pm  

This is long overdue and if it keeps players like sam in RL and in this country, then all the better

Re: Salary cap amendment : Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:11 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

Sam gets hype because Sam is the finest back the country has produced in the superleague era and not because he plays for Wigan.

Sorry, who do you support again? Sam needs to work on his goal line defence before he can claim to be the finest anything the country has produced in the superleague era. He's terrific in attack but he still has a lot of development in defence yet to do.

If any club produces a player as good they can pay him in golden nuggets for all I care.

Saints already did. They lost one of them to Union and one to the NRL, without so much as a blink from the RFL. Thankfully, Roby stayed but Roby would have stayed anyway.

Re: Salary cap amendment : Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:11 pm  

He only recently signed a five year deal and now gets an extension to it after what can only be seen as holding the club to ransom.

Re: Salary cap amendment : Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:13 pm  

roader wrote:

He only recently signed a five year deal and now gets an extension to it after what can only be seen as holding the club to ransom.

And not just the club. All clubs now have to deal with the possibility of one or all of their players thinking they are the marquee signing who can fook the salary cap. I bet the other clubs are just pleased as punch at this development. It makes their negotiating so much easier. Not.