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Re: Saints financial woes : Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:26 pm  
The biggest point in all this is that whether the club can afford these losses, will the board members debenture the losses again, and they almost certainly will.

The losses need to be stopped, but as long as we can fund them from the top then as i've learnt over the years it's not overly worrysome.

There is a lot of money at the head of the club at the moment and a the new stadium is probably in everyone's eye's, losses at KR where often passed off on the stadium, will they dissapear at the new stadium? only time will tell.
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Re: Saints financial woes : Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:35 pm  
How much would the rebranding of the club have cost? and now it's being changed again. Why didn't they wait till the first season in the new stadium.
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Re: Saints financial woes : Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:20 pm  
I've not read the whole thread o read anything about saints latest financial mess but could the losses be a exaggeration for some unknown reason like, say the tax man?

I run my own business and pay my accountant a lot of money a year to help me pay less tax ( all legal ) and their are certain ways to reduce your tax bill.

Just a thought, I'm not into the financial side of my business, that's what I have a very good accountant for.
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Re: Saints financial woes : Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:58 pm  
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You will not get 13 or 14k average gate no chance.

I haven't seen our latest profit / loss figures but I am guessing that the Take That tour has helped us turn in a tasty profit.

Oh and off course winning back to back trophies always helps :ROCKS: :ROCKS: :ROCKS:





havent you got any other sites to troll on!!!
you are becoming more and more boring as time goes on.
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Re: Saints financial woes : Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:13 pm  
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I've not read the whole thread o read anything about saints latest financial mess but could the losses be a exaggeration for some unknown reason like, say the tax man?

I run my own business and pay my accountant a lot of money a year to help me pay less tax ( all legal ) and their are certain ways to reduce your tax bill.

Just a thought, I'm not into the financial side of my business, that's what I have a very good accountant for.


If only this was the case.
The losses are down simply to high costs (wages) without high enough income/sales.
The only solution is to increase sales dramatically at the new stadium by a massive increase in the crowds.
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Re: Saints financial woes : Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:51 pm  
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Eamonn McManus criticises the club’s management for its commercial failings, writing “it was particularly disappointing that full advantage was not taken of the commercial opportunities availed to the club from its last year at its historic Knowsley Road home.”



Bizarre, I citicise a team I was in charge of for poor performance - go figure?!
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Re: Saints financial woes : Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:00 am  
I've said this on the Wigan board, and I'll say it here - sporting teams are almost without exception dreadful investments. The owners may hope to make profits, but realistically almost every team you look at will probably be continually subsidised by the owners. The issue isn't so much if/when Sts ever make a profit, as whether the levels of losses are sustainable - i.e. whether the owners are willing/able to continue to put more money into the club. I would be willing to bet money that not one owner of any SL side seriously expects to make consistent profits from owning a team.

Sometimes people ought to take that last point on board when criticising the owners of clubs - they are quite literally putting their money where their mouth is (although there can be tax benefits depending on the consolidation of profits and losses from all sources apart from the club itself).

The same is true in the NRL - IIRC the Broncos are one of only two sides to regularly make a profit. The difference financially is that most clubs (especially in NSW) are supported by their leagues clubs, which in turn are generally 'non-profit' organisations who make most of their money from pubs, and particularly poker machines (hence the outcry here over the aim to make it more difficult for problem gamblers to p*ss their lives away).
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Re: Saints financial woes : Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:46 am  
The thing that really pisses me off is the Sky contract. Although we would be lost without it, rugby league is a very important brand for Sky.

1) there are a hell of a lot of sky subs in the north that would think twice about paying for sky if super league was not on it.

2) It is a great filler for them when the footy season is not on

3) i am sure I also read somewhere that apart from Premiership football RL gets the highest viewing figures

We need them but they need us too. I think somebody needs to show a bit of guts and stand up for us more in these negotiations
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Re: Saints financial woes : Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:24 pm  
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The thing that really pisses me off is the Sky contract. Although we would be lost without it, rugby league is a very important brand for Sky.

1) there are a hell of a lot of sky subs in the north that would think twice about paying for sky if super league was not on it.

2) It is a great filler for them when the footy season is not on

3) i am sure I also read somewhere that apart from Premiership football RL gets the highest viewing figures

We need them but they need us too. I think somebody needs to show a bit of guts and stand up for us more in these negotiations


Exactly the reason I was calling for Richard Lewis' head after the last Sky contract was signed. He hasn't brought any benefits to the sport at all and we roll over so quickly.

But to be fair to Sky there isn't a competitive market. There is no opportunity to market the product to different providers, in the UK there is only SKY who invest in sport.
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Re: Saints financial woes : Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:30 pm  
What gets me is the wages?

Who are we paying these ever increasing wages too?

It's not the players, they are capped. We've paid pretty much the same on players for the last 10 years, the league does not allow for anything else.

Do we have too many highly paid hangers on? What real benefits do these paid people bring to the club?

Everyone is saying we need to increase revenue, but there is actually an alternate method, which is to cut costs. £1.6 million on players, our sky revenue and gate receipts even now cover that. So it's not the players weighing us down.
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