Re: A prop : Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:29 am  

FearTheVee wrote:

Then probably best not to say they have "no quality at all" in their forward squad bar 2 players and expect not to be called up on it - because it's gibberish.

It's not being pedantic - it's commenting on yet another of your nonsensical exaggerations.

I stand by what I put. Those players as individuals are not outstanding. Their success comes from the way they play rather than who they are. It's why they are so resilient and can change players about so easily.

: Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:45 am  

Saddened (even though I think he was fishing) is probably right, in that Wigan don't have a stand out prop who tops the metre charts. Mossop is becoming that player though and will be there soon. Wigan work as a group in the forwards, no heroes but solid hard work.

Saints are blessed with an excellent set of forwards IMO. They just need to be coached well and conditioned it seems! I just don't think Simmons knows how to get the best out of them. You're pack in terms of names and reputation is up there with any in SL.

Re: A prop : Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:49 am  

The Chair Maker mentioned Paul Johnson and his situation at Wakey. He'd be a better option that Dowes for me. It's not often (if at all), that Saints let players go and we regret it, but I agree with the comments re: Johnson and Emmitt. Both should have been kept on.

Re: A prop : Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:56 am  

Carlos Alberto wrote:

The Chair Maker mentioned Paul Johnson and his situation at Wakey. He'd be a better option that Dowes for me. It's not often (if at all), that Saints let players go and we regret it, but I agree with the comments re: Johnson and Emmitt. Both should have been kept on.

True, perhaps Johnson would relish a 2nd chance at Saints, rather than be aggreived he was released.
I don't think anyone could criticise the decision to let him go, he had done virtually nothing to suggest he was worth a 1st team squad place. Emmitt had shown more promise, bt perhaps was offered more by cas?

Re: A prop : Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:13 am  

Offside Monkey wrote:

True, perhaps Johnson would relish a 2nd chance at Saints, rather than be aggreived he was released.
I don't think anyone could criticise the decision to let him go, he had done virtually nothing to suggest he was worth a 1st team squad place. Emmitt had shown more promise, bt perhaps was offered more by cas?

A fair bit more apparently.

Re: A prop : Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:16 am  

Don Brennan wrote:

A fair bit more apparently.

All unsubstantiated comment, though.

Re: A prop : Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:35 am  

Offside Monkey wrote:

All unsubstantiated comment, though.

True,but not wanting to sound arrogant what other reason would he leave Saints to go to Cas.

Re: A prop : Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:36 am  

Don Brennan wrote:

True,but not wanting to sound arrogant what other reason would he leave Saints to go to Cas.

Longer contract? Guaranteed first team rugby (which is a quicker route to a material pay rise if you're confident in your ability)?

Re: A prop : Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:43 am  

He almost doubled his wages moving to Cas.

Re: A prop : Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:15 pm  

Offside Monkey wrote:

I don't think anyone could criticise the decision to let him go, he had done virtually nothing to suggest he was worth a 1st team squad place.

To be fair to him though I think he played twice in the first team and one of those occasions was for 10 minutes against Wigan at the DW when we were slowly losing the game! (Thanks to Foster we held on to a win)