Re: Super League All time Table : Tue Jul 05, 2011 3:02 pm  

jdrocket wrote:

It's like saying who has sold more records Cliff Richards or Fleet Foxes.

More like The Rolling Stones and The Strokes I'd say. One's been at the top for years and will go on until they die and the other were the hottest ticket around for a year or two before they sank back into the pack before calling it a day.

As for having players over 30. You can get by with them because they have immense experience which is important but players over 30 pick up more injuries and take longer to recover from them. Both Briers and Morley are currently injured and you have to factor that additional missed time into any benefit they bring. They may well still be competent performers, even excellent, but that competency is irrelevant when it's up in the stands watching.

Re: Super League All time Table : Tue Jul 05, 2011 3:43 pm  

FLeet Foxes really? Really? REALLY?

Re: Super League All time Table : Tue Jul 05, 2011 3:49 pm  

jdrocket wrote:

That would equate to, by the start of the 2013 season, 2 players going a season.

If you have 2 older players leaving each season, and you currently have 11 who are 30 or over, surely even if you offloaded the oldest two (rather than the worst two) that would mean you'd have two 35 year olds playing for you? That's quite old isn't it?

Re: Super League All time Table : Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:30 pm  

talulah wrote:

If you have 2 older players leaving each season, and you currently have 11 who are 30 or over, surely even if you offloaded the oldest two (rather than the worst two) that would mean you'd have two 35 year olds playing for you? That's quite old isn't it?

Exactly, I don,t think jdrocket can do his maths. It would take 5 seasons to release the 30+ club of wire players. In that time there would probably be a further crop of players reaching the end of there careers. I still stand by my opinion that the wire will have to do a serious cull of 5 players somewhere along the line. Some wire fans mention the club is good at releasing the older players at the right time.............many thanks for Paul sculthorpe.

Re: Super League All time Table : Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:18 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

FLeet Foxes really? Really? REALLY?

It is what I was listening to at the time.

Judder Man wrote:

talulah wrote:

If you have 2 older players leaving each season, and you currently have 11 who are 30 or over, surely even if you offloaded the oldest two (rather than the worst two) that would mean you'd have two 35 year olds playing for you? That's quite old isn't it?

Exactly, I don,t think jdrocket can do his maths. It would take 5 seasons to release the 30+ club of wire players. In that time there would probably be a further crop of players reaching the end of there careers. I still stand by my opinion that the wire will have to do a serious cull of 5 players somewhere along the line. Some wire fans mention the club is good at releasing the older players at the right time.............many thanks for Paul sculthorpe.

I, nor you, can see that far into the future.

You did say that Wire will have to release 5 or 6 players this season. I was just saying that is absolute Bullshit!

We will see how many players Wire have to lose and how much of an impact it has on the team. No offense to Clarke but if we got rid of him, Briers and Solo in one year. We would only really miss Briers.

I am adamant the one's Wire will truly miss are Briers and Monas. That is due to class and has nothing to do with age.

As I said however, I don't know how Warrington are going to structure their releases. I do know however that WArrington are replacing like for like or better so far.

I don't need to worry, and you certainly don't, about Wire's players. I just think you should stop talking out your booty and, ultimately, Wire will NOT get rid of 6 players this year or next.

Glad we have cleared that one up.

Re: Super League All time Table : Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:25 pm  

wigan_rlfc wrote:

I think a Northern Union/Rugby League all time table would be far more relavent/appropriate

There was one a few years back, Saints 1st, Wigan close 2nd and Leeds distant 3rd. Was done by a university sports graduate Might be on my computer at work if I can find the link will post.

Re: Super League All time Table : Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:02 am  

Judder Man wrote:

The future signs are that Wires success could be short lived. For the 2012 season wire will have 10 to 11 players over the age of 30, saints have released around 2 players a season when this situation arises.

for 2011 season Saints released:
Cunniningham 34
Matt Gidley 34
Nick Fozzard 34
Maurie Fa'asavalu 31
Just Re-signed 32 year old Tony Puletua on a 2 year contract so someone needs to inform the club of your policy of releasing 30 years olds.

So what will wire do, will they release 5 or 6 players a season which would mean the team being unstable when you add the usual injuries. In 2 years they will probably have to replace Briers, Monah M, Monah J, Morley, Carvell, Westwood, Woody, Clarky, Solomona, Hodgson, Waterhouse etc,and replace these players up to the same standard to carry on any future success.

Mathers was replaced by Hodgson to terrifc effect,
Chris Hicks was replaced by Joel Monaghan with Similar effect,
Clarke has only made a handful of appearances so hardly a major player to replace,
Solomona is a luxury we can afford and would be easily replaced plus would save a bit on the food bills.
Waterhouse has a signed a 3 year deal so Why we would get rid in 2 I dont know?
if Woody and Westwood are still in form in 2 years time aged 31 then I would imagine they would recieve extensions no dramas at all.
the problem we have is in replacing Briers and Monaghan. Briers probably has 2 years left but Gareth O'Brien is poop hot and looks an able deputy. and if Cunningham can play till 34 I'm sure Monaghan can so I'm sure we can get 3 years out of him.

anyway our kids have just won the rugby League 9's so I wouldnt worry too much

Re: Super League All time Table : Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:51 am  

the flying biscuit wrote:

anyway our kids have just won the rugby League 9's so I wouldnt worry too much

Lolz

Re: Super League All time Table : Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:34 pm  

I'd say Rolling Stones and N Dubz.

With Wire being N Dubz of having mediocre success in 2009 and popular amongst the chavs.

Re: Super League All time Table : Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:51 pm  

jdrocket wrote:

Well a lot of that was tosh. So much so that I think may struggle to address all the mistakes you have made.

There is no reason to suggest that being over thirty is a bad thing, firstly! Hodgo is one of the best fullbacks in the league (if not the best) and he is over thirty. Same with Monas. I personally don't know how many Wanky will be looking to replace in two years and I certainly doubt it will be the number you have stated. (I am assuming they are the ones mentioned further in the post) Some players will certainly be released. Solo, Moz and Hodgeson being the most notable players and probably Briers. However, no one knows the performance that players just turning thirty will have on the team. If I asked you who has provided the most to their team this year; Moz or Perry? the answer is plain, Moz, and he is very close to retirement.

They won't. That is one of the stupidest things I have heard. I think the most to go in one year will be three. However, I doubt Tony Smith sees that many going at once.

Having already mentioned that up to Moz's age, age is just a number, I will instead just ell you who will most likely still be good enough in two years.

Micheal Monaz (just turned 31) will be 33 then
Joel Monaghan (29)
CArvell (just tuerned 30) will be 32 (I may stop doing simple maths for you here)
Westwood (29)
Wood (almost 30)
Waterhouse (31)

I certainly believe that these will still be good enough. If not they can be moved on as their contracts expire around this time. So far Wire will have lost 5 of those mentioned and Clarke hasn't played for months (excluding last night) so call that four. That would equate to, by the start of the 2013 season, 2 players going a season.
Additionally, We must remember that there will also be additional players brought in, naturally, and there will obviously be the likes of Ben Evans, Gaz O', Rhys Evans, Rhys Williams, Cooper, LAithwaite and many more that are good enough to dismantle super league teams.

I won't go too far into the area of Saints and Saints' team for nest year but losing Graham, maybe Pryce, Eastmond (regardless of what you say about his current attitude) is going to dent Saints and they haven't invested amzingly so far. For example, bought a fullback for the halves. The youth aren't as good as one would hope. Gaskell with never be a saints (well done no correction needed) half on what I have seen this year. IT is too late for it to be stage fright. Although Lomax is looking to have some potential.
This does have tinges of truth. In the past, well before Cullen, this was the case and no one could deny that. However, I think we need only look at the youth tables to prove that, even if saints (well done) take their boys on holiday or offer them more money, Wanky aren't exactly struggling for youth.

Wanky certainly don't have the reputable clubs such as St Pats or Blackbrooks but we are doing okay.

In summary, we will miss losing Briers and Hodgeson in the next few years. However, that is no the end of Wire's chances, as much as you'd like to think it. Wire still have many irons in the fire and the acquisition of a big Aussie signing such as Waterhouse, as well as the successful youth teams, suggests the future is rosy for a Warringtonian.

Oh and I am glad you have stopped citing Bridge as one of the old fogeys at Wanky.

Corrected !

It really makes no difference who is right about age , Look at Menzies at Cats , a superb player at god know what age , if they feel they can go on then fine, if the club feel they can do a good job then well done to them, all teams change over time, evolving into something different Warrington are doing well there is no denying it , but lets se what the next few seasons bring before calling the donwfall of Saints and the rise of the Warrington all conquering dynasty