Re: our pack : Sat Jun 18, 2011 9:12 pm  

Last night as made me feel so negative.

Re: our pack : Sun Jun 19, 2011 12:32 am  

Magennis hasn't been given anywhere near enough game time for anyone to make critical judgement about his future. This is his first real chance at the top level. He's played a few good games. He's played a few mediocre ones. We'll only see the best of him when he fleshes out, which will be in one or two years. Until that point he's an unknown quantity.

Re: our pack : Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:53 am  

saint mac wrote:

Megennis... not big enough will be gone at the end of his contract

I do dispare at the sack player attitudes after a loss.

So far this year, we have had calls for the following players not being good enough for Saints, depending on the result of Saints that week.

Wellens
Meli
Gardner
Shenton
Gaskell
Eastmond
Perry
LMS
Soliola
Megennis
Dixon
Ashurst
Wheeler (mainly due to being injury prone)

It seams the only solution to a loss, fans can come up with, is to sack someone. Lets just thank the lord we ain't coaches our we would have no team left to play with come the end of the season. I think part of it is our past success in SL and expecting this to continue.

This year we have had some great games and when your not at the top, the best you can hope for is good entertainment. Friday we lacked some effort possibly, or the pack where just knackered. But I think we still have some wins in us and a return to form like at the DW earlier in the season, just requires hard work and coaching not a whole sale change of the playing staff. Lets face it no one new is coming in this year except those who are injured, and from those injured only Leon or CLough will bring any impact to the team IMHO, and for me the jury is still out on Leon. He's had nearly a year injured, that's tough to come back from and be on white hot form. We saw last year Soliola came back but took till this year to show what he could do.

Re: our pack : Sun Jun 19, 2011 8:20 am  

bewareshadows wrote:

Wellens
Meli
Gardner
Shenton
Gaskell
Eastmond
Perry
LMS
Soliola
Megennis
Dixon
Ashurst wheeler.

this list of player if you had armstrong to the list would beat most of the teams in super league apart from the top three

Re: our pack : Sun Jun 19, 2011 8:27 am  

Exactly.

I've just had a look at the fixtures and this is certainly our most difficult run of games. When you look at our run in to the end of the season, it's not too bad.

If we can pull some kinda win from somewhere against Warrington, then we have a run in that should keep us in the top 4 and maybe higher, depending on how Wigan, Warrington and Huddersfield take points off each other.

We are inconsistent and we need a run off form to the end of the season to give us some chance at the business end.

Re: our pack : Sun Jun 19, 2011 8:53 am  

after fridays game we should go into every game this season excepting a win which would put us in top 3 finish and if everyone fit we would have a good chance in the playoff

Re: our pack : Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:01 am  

1984saints wrote:

after fridays game we should go into every game this season excepting a win which would put us in top 3 finish and if everyone fit we would have a good chance in the playoff

My thoughts too.

From the 3 above us. Wigan are in theory 4 points ahead. I think that is too much for us to claw back. They would need to lose 3.

Warrington and Huddersfield are 3 ahead assuming wire win today.

We still play Wire and Huddersfield. So they are only 2 losses from over taking. 1 of those is in our own hands and given that they both play wigan and each other. It is not beyond the realms of maths that we could finish above them. But we need to beat at least one of them.

Warrington maybe tricky, but Royce has turn our team around before.

If we don't beat Warrington or Huddersfield, it would be tough to beat all 3 in the playoffs. Wigan, Warrington and Huddersfield.

A win against the Wire will give confidence to the team that we are still in the hunt. A win against Huddersfield would give fans some faith.

Re: our pack : Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:07 am  

1984saints wrote:

after fridays game we should go into every game this season excepting a win which would put us in top 3 finish and if everyone fit we would have a good chance in the playoff

Exactly, our pack should be good enough it's our attitude that's in question. We are at the bottom of the league for giving penalties away, which might suggest we are a bit soft and don,t play with enough aggression.
We let the Wigan pack get in our faces, whilst our pack didn't move up in defence, if we play the same way against the wire, then we can expect the same kind of game and result.

Re: our pack : Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:52 am  

bewareshadows wrote:

A win against the Wire will give confidence to the team that we are still in the hunt. A win against Huddersfield would give fans some faith.

We have just let two opportunities to go top pass us by due mainly to lack of composure (and against Wigan, pack absence). Upon reflection that, to me anyway, shows a lack of mental strength. In part this might be due to the inexperience in our ranks - our halves are not yet tough enough to overcome pressure nerves. But it may also be just that we have a bunch of wusses in our team who can't step up to pressure but instead opt out/panic. I doubt that will disappear in time for next week as it seems to be a cultural thing. We've been like this for a few years, most notably at Grand Finals. It's frustrating because we have the ability in the team to beat Wigan (not sure about Warrington) and yet we yell 'surrender!' at the time when we could have put them in their place. But IMO that just shows where we are at and Friday suggested to me that we are not a finals winning team of any description.

I've changed my hopes regarding this team after the last two showings. I am now just hoping for some good performances over the remainder of the season. I'd like to see our halves be able to pass to the right before we approach winter and I'd like to see them be able to take control to the extent that we don't have to rely upon James Roby quite so much.

Re: our pack : Sun Jun 19, 2011 12:31 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

We have just let two opportunities to go top pass us by due mainly to lack of composure (and against Wigan, pack absence). Upon reflection that, to me anyway, shows a lack of mental strength. In part this might be due to the inexperience in our ranks - our halves are not yet tough enough to overcome pressure nerves. But it may also be just that we have a bunch of wusses in our team who can't step up to pressure but instead opt out/panic. I doubt that will disappear in time for next week as it seems to be a cultural thing. We've been like this for a few years, most notably at Grand Finals. It's frustrating because we have the ability in the team to beat Wigan (not sure about Warrington) and yet we yell 'surrender!' at the time when we could have put them in their place. But IMO that just shows where we are at and Friday suggested to me that we are not a finals winning team of any description.

I've changed my hopes regarding this team after the last two showings. I am now just hoping for some good performances over the remainder of the season. I'd like to see our halves be able to pass to the right before we approach winter and I'd like to see them be able to take control to the extent that we don't have to rely upon James Roby quite so much.

And if they do all that then we will make a final.

Wigan v Warrington in the CC, so that's one of them gone. Come on you still have that nagging deep inside that we will just come good during one of these key matches. If we don't I fail to see how next year will provide more oppertunity other than a years extra experience.