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Re: Sia Soliola : Sat May 28, 2011 3:28 pm  
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Not replacing talau was a huge mistake. We've gone to long with only one centre. Teams know we don't trouble anyone on one side of the field as we've only one centre.

To say it's not critical only having one centre is unreal.


We at Wigan are having a similar problem now that Gleeson has gone.
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Re: Sia Soliola : Sat May 28, 2011 3:29 pm  
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And offensively he's pretty much non existent for mine. I've yet to see him have a wower of game in attack. He's not the threat running out wide that the likes of Hoffman and Manu are.


That's because he hasn't been running out wide, he has been doing the work of a prop because of injuries and a lot of minutes at that.

His defensive problems may stem from his knee issues as well as going in for the hits, stepping laterally is difficult after the cruciate problems he has had.
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Re: Sia Soliola : Sat May 28, 2011 3:32 pm  
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We at Wigan are having a similar problem now that Gleeson has gone.


Yes you have but I doubt youll leave it long before you replace him. Wigan had to good centres in gleeson and carmont which was very good partnership.
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Re: Sia Soliola : Sat May 28, 2011 3:32 pm  
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It was perfectly real because I said it. That makes it real.


Only you could pick up on a word and reply with something like that. :lol:

It's important to have balance throughout the side and not replacing Talau has caused us some problems. Gilmour did a reasonable job there but he was always short term. Wheeler hasn't nailed down the role mainly due to injury and Meli has been a bit hit and miss at times. We've tried Eastmond there who did well, but he was always going to move to 7, Lomax has played there but hasn't been that successful and others too. Look at Warrington with Bridge and Atkins (King in reserve), very balanced and lots of speed in the backline.
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Re: Sia Soliola : Sat May 28, 2011 3:35 pm  
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Only you could pick up on a word and reply with something like that. :lol:

It's important to have balance throughout the side and not replacing Talau has caused us some problems. Gilmour did a reasonable job there but he was always short term. Wheeler hasn't nailed down the role mainly due to injury and Meli has been a bit hit and miss at times. We've tried Eastmond there who did well, but he was always going to move to 7, Lomax has played there but hasn't been that successful and others too. Look at Warrington with Bridge and Atkins (King in reserve), very balanced and lots of speed in the backline.


Spot on and put in words much better than I did :wink:
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Re: Sia Soliola : Sat May 28, 2011 4:06 pm  
His defense is certainly terrifying in the amount of times he gets caught flatfooted and left grasping air as people step past him.

Personally think like Blobby he has been a bit hit and miss.
He is popular with the fans a bit like Tuilagi was. However like Tuilagi i think he has some fundamental flaws to his game that some of us perhaps take more note of, rather than let a big hit or strong run distract us from his overall game.

Put it this way, if it was a choice between Flannery and Soliola, i would have Flannery, because Flannery has no obvious weaknesses to his game, and while not being an excitement machine, does all the basics well.
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Re: Sia Soliola : Sat May 28, 2011 4:28 pm  
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Not replacing Talau????

Letting Long go, before we tied Eastmond down long term leaving him the position of power???

And for you Saints fan, Potter????


Just few other idea's.


Gilmour is one player who was let go too early that's the point.

Talau (and no replacement), Long, Sculthorpe and Joynt were all kept too long.

So there were other errors but gilmour is the only mistake of letting go too early
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Re: Sia Soliola : Sat May 28, 2011 5:06 pm  
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Gilmour is one player who was let go too early that's the point.

Talau (and no replacement), Long, Sculthorpe and Joynt were all kept too long.

So there were other errors but gilmour is the only mistake of letting go too early



Ok got to differ there. If we let Long go any earlier, we would have had no organising and kicking half back. Eastmond was not ready and Leon was not pulling the weight either. I think we let Long go at the right time, but should have finalised with Eastmond before letting Long and Smith go.

We told long he could go and same for Smith, then tried to negotitate with Kyle. He was laughing all the way to the bank on that as we had shown our hand.

Sculthorpe, well we would not have won the WCC that year without him. Yes he was plagued by injury in those years, but no one can tell how a recovery can go. We could have easily sign Soliola never to see him play for injury. Fozzards return and the last year of cayless we got less than 10 games between them over those 2 years. So compared to that we kept Sculthorpe just long enough.

I don't recall thinking Joynt was kept too long, he was still effective when he left.

Out of those 3 you have a case with Sculthorpe but injuries are very hard to predict. Tommy God being a perfect example. He kept coming back and back from awful knee injuries.
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Re: Sia Soliola : Sat May 28, 2011 5:18 pm  
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Only you could pick up on a word and reply with something like that. :lol:

Absolutely. It is a specialism of mine. :D

It's important to have balance throughout the side and not replacing Talau has caused us some problems. Gilmour did a reasonable job there but he was always short term. Wheeler hasn't nailed down the role mainly due to injury and Meli has been a bit hit and miss at times. We've tried Eastmond there who did well, but he was always going to move to 7, Lomax has played there but hasn't been that successful and others too. Look at Warrington with Bridge and Atkins (King in reserve), very balanced and lots of speed in the backline.

I've highlighted the real problem.

But even though Wheeler makes a very good centre, personally I have a hankering after seeing him get a run at 6. He is one of a very few Saints players who have guile. We need guile.
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Re: Sia Soliola : Sat May 28, 2011 5:29 pm  
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I thinks it's obvious you've not seen much of him this there. He's a good hard working backrow. With the injuries he's not been used as we'd like him to be.

On his defence in our 20m, a lot of it's down to him doing long mins and being tired so teams target him. I think he needs spelling more.



I agree, he's putting in a lot of hard work lately, quite often he puts in 2 or 3 consecutive tackles in a set. He also puts a lot of force in the tackle which crusaders No 6 and No 13 knew about by being quiet for the next 10 mins.
Once we get our half back play sorted, I can see Sia exploited the fringes because at the moment his offense has been pretty much in "heavy traffic".
We still need a "Sculthorpe" loose forward though...........maybe Wilkin to improve a bit more who is playing well at the moment.
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