Re: Hock : Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:52 am  

Saint Simon wrote:

I can see where they're coming from with the argument, and if there has been a precedent set, its hard to ignore, but personally i think his 2 year ban should include training as well, or we'll just creep to a point where any banned player will just train alongside his "teammates" for the duration of their ban.
We need to make sure young players (and fans) know this behaviour is unacceptable and it will ruin your life and your career.

Well it clearly hasnt ruined his .....

Re: Hock : Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:56 am  

No1 Saint wrote:

Well it clearly hasnt ruined his .....

It's cost him two years of his career, and brought shame upon himself, and his family.

Re: Hock : Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:59 am  

jonnythesaint wrote:

And the point is?

If you don't understand it by now I'm wasting my time explaining any further.

Re: Hock : Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:03 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

The reason is simple: sport is unlike any other profession. To draw parallels with a fork-lift driver or a policeman is nonsense.

If you DON'T believe sport is different then you won't mind if players leave with a week or a month's notice to play for someone else. Perhaps just before a Grand Final?

Maybe they shouldn't work bank holidays and be allowed to take holidays whenever!

Re: Hock : Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:07 pm  

No1 Saint wrote:

Well it clearly hasnt ruined his .....

It'll have cost him somewhere between £300K and £500K.

Re: Hock : Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:33 pm  

Shows the absolute lack of morality still exists at wigan. In days gone by it was buying the title at the sports detriment now its employing drunks and drug addicts. They should have sacked Hock bbut they didn't and now they will happily play him again with a big 'he's back's fanfare. I would be ashamed if Saints behaved like this. Wigan have no class. They can't even abide by the rules of his ban without trying to get special treatment.

Scum.

Re: Hock : Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:35 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

It'll have cost him somewhere between £300K and £500K.

I was about to post something similar. Hock's next contract would have been way north of 100k, wigan arnt daft he'll be playing for them again, but if he's on much more than £30k i'd be astonished.

Re: Hock : Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:47 pm  

jonnythesaint wrote:

I don't understand why sport is possibly the only profession where if you get caught taking recreational drugs, you're barred from earning a living in said profession.

Its' not unique. Where I work, if any member of staff is found to be using drugs or alcohol then they are fired. There is regular drug and alcohol testing for that purpose, and that includes staff not directly involved in the use of machinery. There are many jobs in which the use of narcotics or alcohol results in danger to others and therefore they should not be tolerated within the workforce. That is the case with sport. Sport also has the added feature that when an athelete uses performance enhancing drugs they are cheating. So either you're a cheat or a danger to others. And then, of course, it is actually illegal to use recreational drugs, although God knows who gives a damn these days regardless of the human wreckage they cause. But that's another argument.

Re: Hock : Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:57 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Shows the absolute lack of morality still exists at wigan. In days gone by it was buying the title at the sports detriment now its employing drunks and drug addicts. They should have sacked Hock bbut they didn't and now they will happily play him again with a big 'he's back's fanfare. I would be ashamed if Saints behaved like this. Wigan have no class. They can't even abide by the rules of his ban without trying to get special treatment.

Scum.

To be fair they do want some acts to go punished, they wanted Danny Mcguires Career over when he held back George Carmont that time....

and I cant Wait for Phil Clarkes first comments on Hock...

"D'you know Eddie what people dont know is just how difficult it is to come back from a Drugs Ban and this Wigan team under Michael Maguire seem to do it better than Anybody else..........lets look at a couple of examples......"

Re: Hock : Tue Mar 29, 2011 1:04 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Its' not unique. Where I work, if any member of staff is found to be using drugs or alcohol then they are fired. There is regular drug and alcohol testing for that purpose, and that includes staff not directly involved in the use of machinery. There are many jobs in which the use of narcotics or alcohol results in danger to others and therefore they should not be tolerated within the workforce. That is the case with sport. Sport also has the added feature that when an athelete uses performance enhancing drugs they are cheating. So either you're a cheat or a danger to others. And then, of course, it is actually illegal to use recreational drugs, although God knows who gives a damn these days regardless of the human wreckage they cause. But that's another argument.

Just as a matter of interest, what do you do?