Re: england... : Sat Oct 23, 2010 8:03 pm  

cjhatesunion wrote:

I know what you are saying but Sam is not an out and out full back compared to Wellens.
Personally I would play Sam at stand off,for me his true position.

The role of full back is changing though. Having a player with that attacking ability able to inject himself into the attacking line pretty much wherever he sees an opening can be, and as we found out in the GF has been, devastating.

Re: england... : Sat Oct 23, 2010 8:51 pm  

cjhatesunion wrote:

I know what you are saying but Sam is not an out and out full back compared to Wellens.
Personally I would play Sam at stand off,for me his true position.

I think his true position is quickly becoming fullback though. His positional sense is second to none and although he still lacks a physical presence, his technique for tackling bigger guys is second to none.

Being at FB allows him to attack from deep in space and basically pop up wherever and stop teams from trying to mark him out of the game. Plus he's not relied on as much to kick!

Re: england... : Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:58 pm  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

The role of full back is changing though. Having a player with that attacking ability able to inject himself into the attacking line pretty much wherever he sees an opening can be, and as we found out in the GF has been, devastating.

Nonesense. The role of the full back has always been that way, in the non too distant past, what type of player was Steve Prescott, what was his greatest strength? or Phil Veivers for that matter in his first few seasons at the club.

As for Wello, for a guy with a lack of speed, he was still our 2nd highest try scorer of the season in a season when we scored more tries than any other team. Oh and by far the best defensive FB in the League.

That mac the idiot picked a reserve grade player before him was/is a discgrace.

Re: england... : Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:47 am  

C-Stander wrote:

Nonesense. The role of the full back has always been that way, in the non too distant past, what type of player was Steve Prescott, what was his greatest strength? or Phil Veivers for that matter in his first few seasons at the club.

How many creative full backs have there been in SL in the last 10-15 years? I'm not saying there have never been creative fullbacks. However as defensive structures are becoming better and better the full back is becoming more of a focal point of attack.

As for Wello, for a guy with a lack of speed, he was still our 2nd highest try scorer of the season in a season when we scored more tries than any other team. Oh and by far the best defensive FB in the League.

That mac the idiot picked a reserve grade player before him was/is a discgrace.

Wellens has been shown to be not good enough at that level. If we'd had enough fit halves, I'm sure Tomkins would have been there.

Re: england... : Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:06 am  

inside_man wrote:

I think his true position is quickly becoming fullback though. His positional sense is second to none and although he still lacks a physical presence, his technique for tackling bigger guys is second to none.

I disagree about Tomkins' positional sense. Wello still pips him on that one, but it is improving. Likewise with his tackling. Again, Wello is still better than him at that. But Tomkins leaves Wello fumbling on the backline when it comes to pace and England looked a lot better with Tomkins at fullback. He was able to make up for the halves' lack of creativity from there and his drifting all over the pitch wasn't a distraction for the rest of the team from fullback as it was during the Maori friendly when he played in the halves. We looked structurally better in the second half against the Kiwis and that's the structure we need to go with against Australia even though we should replace a couple of the players.

Re: england... : Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:07 am  

oops

Re: england... : Sun Oct 24, 2010 3:28 pm  

Sam Tmkins has to play 1 for me and i'd play Joel at centre. We are so short of quality in that backline and those 2 have it in bucketloads even if they're both not naturals in those positions.

It's sad really but we have to try and shuffle all the players round as best we can.

Re: england... : Sun Oct 24, 2010 3:45 pm  

The fact that Wellens is even being talked about for the fb shows the lack of quality in that position.

To me the major talking omission is Martin Gleeson, who has been the best centre in Superleague this season.

Re: england... : Sun Oct 24, 2010 4:29 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

The fact that Wellens is even being talked about for the fb shows the lack of quality in that position.

To me the major talking omission is Martin Gleeson, who has been the best centre in Superleague this season.

Who does Martin Gleeson play for again?

Re: england... : Sun Oct 24, 2010 5:44 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Who does Martin Gleeson play for again?

What's that got to do with Gleeson being the best English centre in Superleague?