Re: Gaskell : Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:28 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

I don't see why Gaskell shouldn't be.

but he has been given chances, and we dont know what he's like in training, but as he's not being picked its a safe assumption he's not been performing there either

If he is given the chance to play beside Wilkin over the next few weeks and still he doesn't shine then fair enough, maybe he hasn't got it and so he should be let go. But I don't believe he has been given a fair chance to show us what he has and it could be to the detriment of the team long term if he is denied the chance.

i'd like to see him given some time with wilkin too.

Re: Gaskell : Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:34 pm  

Saint Simon wrote:

but he has been given chances, and we dont know what he's like in training, but as he's not being picked its a safe assumption he's not been performing there either
i'd like to see him given some time with wilkin too.

Gaskell should be given the chance to play along side Wilkin and if he doesn't perform then it time to bin him off it would be nice to see how he goes along side someone with a lot my experience then what he as be playing with lomax was just as bad as Gaskell at the start of the season some might say worse but look at him now been more to full back and he been our best player ever since

Re: Gaskell : Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:52 pm  

Saint Simon wrote:

but he has been given chances, .

Not with proper support he hasn't. He should be allowed to work alongside Wilkin who is experienced, who clearly is a good talker on the pitch and works at encouraging the young blokes, and who has some experience in the halves even though he doesn't consider himself to BE a half. At any other time Saints would do just that when blending in a halfback. They did it with Eastmond. They did it with Smith. They did it with Wheeler. Gaskell hasn't had that opportunity.

Re: Gaskell : Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:53 pm  

Saints4eva2013 wrote:

Gaskell should be given the chance to play along side Wilkin and if he doesn't perform then it time to bin him off it would be nice to see how he goes along side someone with a lot my experience then what he as be playing with lomax was just as bad as Gaskell at the start of the season some might say worse but look at him now been more to full back and he been our best player ever since

Exactly.

Re: Gaskell : Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:53 am  

My own tuppen'orth: I just don't think Gaskell is good enough to be the long term solution to Saints' #6 problem. Simple really. I got burned at the stake on the numpty forum for the heresy of daring to suggest such a thing when he was in most peoples' opinion the solution to all our ills 2 years ago, but it seems more and more are starting to see sense. He's shown flashes of potential and he has a good kicking game and a bit of size and pace, but his vision and decision making is consistently poor and showing no signs of getting any better, and he's not filled out enough to be a raw linebreaking physical threat instead of a creative one. And his defence sucks... He no longer has the "Unknown" factor that made him partially successful when he first came on the scene and has been mostly very disappointing (in his admittedly limited outings) since opposition defences have had notice of him. The fact that Hohaia probably is the better #6 option right now is all that needs to be said... He still has a future as a SL player no doubt about it given how starved the league is of talent, but that future is probably not at Saints and almost certainly not at #6 or #7.

If Wheeler could stay fit for more than 5 minutes in a row we wouldn't even be having this discussion and he'd be at Salford or Huddersfield right now... The major problem and the main reason we're all still clinging onto hopes for Gaskell is that if he doesn't make it then we need to find 2 new halves for next season with bugger all of the required quality available...

Re: Gaskell : Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:02 am  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

My own tuppen'orth: I just don't think Gaskell is good enough to be the long term solution to Saints' #6 problem. Simple really. I got burned at the stake on the numpty forum for the heresy of daring to suggest such a thing when he was in most peoples' opinion the solution to all our ills 2 years ago, but it seems more and more are starting to see sense. He's shown flashes of potential and he has a good kicking game and a bit of size and pace, but his vision and decision making is consistently poor and showing no signs of getting any better, and he's not filled out enough to be a raw linebreaking physical threat instead of a creative one. And his defence sucks... He no longer has the "Unknown" factor that made him partially successful when he first came on the scene and has been mostly very disappointing (in his admittedly limited outings) since opposition defences have had notice of him. The fact that Hohaia probably is the better #6 option right now is all that needs to be said... He still has a future as a SL player no doubt about it given how starved the league is of talent, but that future is probably not at Saints and almost certainly not at #6 or #7.

If Wheeler could stay fit for more than 5 minutes in a row we wouldn't even be having this discussion and he'd be at Salford or Huddersfield right now... The major problem and the main reason we're all still clinging onto hopes for Gaskell is that if he doesn't make it then we need to find 2 new halves for next season with bugger all of the required quality available...

That pretty much sums it up perfectly

Re: Gaskell : Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:04 am  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

My own tuppen'orth: I just don't think Gaskell is good enough to be the long term solution to Saints' #6 problem. Simple really. I got burned at the stake on the numpty forum for the heresy of daring to suggest such a thing when he was in most peoples' opinion the solution to all our ills 2 years ago, but it seems more and more are starting to see sense. He's shown flashes of potential and he has a good kicking game and a bit of size and pace, but his vision and decision making is consistently poor and showing no signs of getting any better, and he's not filled out enough to be a raw linebreaking physical threat instead of a creative one. And his defence sucks... He no longer has the "Unknown" factor that made him partially successful when he first came on the scene and has been mostly very disappointing (in his admittedly limited outings) since opposition defences have had notice of him. The fact that Hohaia probably is the better #6 option right now is all that needs to be said... He still has a future as a SL player no doubt about it given how starved the league is of talent, but that future is probably not at Saints and almost certainly not at #6 or #7.

If Wheeler could stay fit for more than 5 minutes in a row we wouldn't even be having this discussion and he'd be at Salford or Huddersfield right now... The major problem and the main reason we're all still clinging onto hopes for Gaskell is that if he doesn't make it then we need to find 2 new halves for next season with bugger all of the required quality available...

I think that's all based on similar logic to mine, but with a really negetive veiw. I think I see more potential in him than you. Unless you're an undoubted superstar, you need a little luck to get your career started, and Gaskell just needs a litttle, it may just be a run in the team when they're playing quite well, it may just be a bounce of the ball from one of his kicks in a tough game. He'll make a SL player, no doubt, though. If he can't get his chance at Saints, there will be clubs that will be able to give him the chance to play first team and develop and it may be that he needs to move to make it work for him - much like Matty Smith had to do.

Re: Gaskell : Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:19 am  

Offside Monkey wrote:

I think that's all based on similar logic to mine, but with a really negetive veiw. I think I see more potential in him than you. Unless you're an undoubted superstar, you need a little luck to get your career started, and Gaskell just needs a litttle, it may just be a run in the team when they're playing quite well, it may just be a bounce of the ball from one of his kicks in a tough game. He'll make a SL player, no doubt, though. If he can't get his chance at Saints, there will be clubs that will be able to give him the chance to play first team and develop and it may be that he needs to move to make it work for him - much like Matty Smith had to do.

I don't think he's near Matty Smith in terms of skill, I was dismayed we let him go and it's good he's got in a top team (but why them!!!!). I think letting Matty go will come back on us, I'm really not convinced the same can be said for Lee.

Re: Gaskell : Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:31 am  

Saint Simon wrote:

I don't think he's near Matty Smith in terms of skill, I was dismayed we let him go and it's good he's got in a top team (but why them!!!!). I think letting Matty go will come back on us, I'm really not convinced the same can be said for Lee.

Gaskell twice as good as smith lee won't need to drop down to a Salford to kick start is career he sign for a big club if he leaves saints

Re: Gaskell : Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:41 am  

Saint Simon wrote:

I don't think he's near Matty Smith in terms of skill, I was dismayed we let him go and it's good he's got in a top team (but why them!!!!). I think letting Matty go will come back on us, I'm really not convinced the same can be said for Lee.

Really? I wasn't worried that wigan signed him. He's a proper scrum half, so will do a job, but I reckon he's as modest a player possible for a big club like that to accept, especially in a key position.