Re: Hull FC Match Thread - Saints 12 v 19 Hull FC : Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:35 pm  

Fatbelly wrote:

Pete, stop it your are now sounding like Saddened. What about your home game against Wakey? Surely that has a Saints win written all over it.

Tim smith will take us apart. Wakey playing very well.

Re: Hull FC Match Thread - Saints 12 v 19 Hull FC : Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:38 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

I mentioned this last year and early this season when Lance was struggling to operate at 6.
Swifty started as a stand off and was suprised he was pushed out to the wing, Makinson was a centre and was pushed out to the wing, Jonesy was a half back and was pushed out to the centres, Charnock was a half back and pushed into the pack.
Does this mean our transition development to superleague is poor or is the coach not willing to take the risk.

No, most kids develop into different positions as they grow older. Hock was a halfback as a kid for example.

Re: Hull FC Match Thread - Saints 12 v 19 Hull FC : Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:56 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

I mentioned this last year and early this season when Lance was struggling to operate at 6.
Swifty started as a stand off and was suprised he was pushed out to the wing, Makinson was a centre and was pushed out to the wing, Jonesy was a half back and was pushed out to the centres, Charnock was a half back and pushed into the pack.
Does this mean our transition development to superleague is poor or is the coach not willing to take the risk.

Isn't it fairly typical for young backs to start their first grade life on the wing? I think it tends to be viewed as the least risky place to blood them. Makinson has actually turned out to be a very good winger IMO even though he played centre and fullback at junior level. I can see his fullback instincts in him as he covers for Wello sometimes.

I'm in the camp that we have nothing to lose now by trying out young players in the halves. If Swift has played in the halves before then give him a go. He needs to be on the pitch somewhere that's for sure as he is one of our remaining attacking threats.

Re: Hull FC Match Thread - Saints 12 v 19 Hull FC : Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:23 pm  

St pete wrote:

No, most kids develop into different positions as they grow older. Hock was a halfback as a kid for example.

Is this a club structural failure in targeting players into key postions, how many home grown half backs have we developed from Alex Murphy and Wilf Smith.

Re: Hull FC Match Thread - Saints 12 v 19 Hull FC : Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:28 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

Is this a club structural failure in targeting players into key postions, how many home grown half backs have we developed from Alex Murphy and Wilf Smith.

Wasn't murph a centre as a youngster ?

Re: Hull FC Match Thread - Saints 12 v 19 Hull FC : Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:32 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

I mentioned this last year and early this season when Lance was struggling to operate at 6.
Swifty started as a stand off and was suprised he was pushed out to the wing, Makinson was a centre and was pushed out to the wing, Jonesy was a half back and was pushed out to the centres, Charnock was a half back and pushed into the pack.
Does this mean our transition development to superleague is poor or is the coach not willing to take the risk.

The fans are as bad as the coaching staff in super league for not letting kids develop. Josh Jones is a typical example of the problem superleague faces in certain areas.

There is no doubting Jones is a talented kid who has the potential to be a big part for us in the coming years: but if he a centre or a second row? His problem is lacking attacking flair, but instead of playing a defensively sound centre, allow him to develop a relationship with a winger, and develop his overall attacking game (which we have seen glimpses of) we as a fan/club/country would sooner ship him off to the second row (where he's not big enough and will go the way of Ashurst and co.) for being "steady" and bring in a kid like Percival with all the flair you could hope for but useless in defence. We then hear things like "why can't we have a proper centre like Talau".

We as a country would sooner move a solid kid into a "safe" position for fear of lacking strike than put the time and effort into developing them.

Re: Hull FC Match Thread - Saints 12 v 19 Hull FC : Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:34 pm  

St pete wrote:

Wasn't murph a centre as a youngster ?

Don,t know signed up and developed as a scrumhalf, who was our next home grown scrum half after Neil Holding.

Re: Hull FC Match Thread - Saints 12 v 19 Hull FC : Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:39 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

Don,t know signed up and developed as a scrumhalf, who was our next home grown scrum half after Neil Holding.

Eastmond

Re: Hull FC Match Thread - Saints 12 v 19 Hull FC : Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:41 pm  

St pete wrote:

Eastmond

Smith,

Re: Hull FC Match Thread - Saints 12 v 19 Hull FC : Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:44 pm  

Does that mean we have only developed 3 scrum halves in the past 25 years!!