Re: masoe and the rest : Fri May 02, 2014 10:22 am  

St pete wrote:

Doesn't do one on one tackles, he's 2nd and 3rd man every time.

If your happy with Mose being the run of the mill average meter maker than that's fine, I thought we'd signed a tackle breaking, aggressive big hitting prop that we needed.

the reason for not making the 1on1 tackles is that attacking players are basically turning and runing away from him, preferring to take the tackle from the guy next to him. He then comes in as the 2nd tackler.

He was our best forward over Easter, and was our best forward last night. He played over 60mins last night I think, out performing Walmsley on most levels.

The problem is that people expect him to be coming on for 10minutes at a time smashing everyone in sight. Due to the limitations of his colleagues he is having to play longer minutes, therefore can't do the "impact" role that you seem to demand.

St pete wrote:

Obviously he's a top class prop then and a great signing. We should be privileged to have attracted such a leading prop from the NRL. Certainly worth the massive deal we've brought him over on.

I dont think he is a particularly massive deal. He wasn't a top class signing when he agreed to come, more of a journeyman unknown type player, not particularly in demand from the NRL or elsewhere. His performances in the WCup gave the perception that we were signing a top level NRL prop, but that was never really the case.

Re: masoe and the rest : Fri May 02, 2014 10:26 am  

BackrowSaint wrote:

Quite clearly our best prop last night, again.

And that's why we have problems.

Re: masoe and the rest : Fri May 02, 2014 10:34 am  

St pete wrote:

And that's why we have problems.

I think you're being really unfair on him.

I see what you're saying about the not smashing people impact role but that, quite simply, is not what we're asking him to do.

The role he is playing at the moment is big minutes making metres, which he is doing consistently and on a good number of occasions better than all our other forwards. He's also making his fair number of tackles, a lot aren't one on one as you say but people aren't running straight at him because they know what would happen.

I do think you have a good enough rugby brain to see this so I'm a little surprised at the criticism he's getting from you. When we have Laffranchi, Amor and the likes back fit and his role reverts to a 10 minute impact role and he still isn't making big runs and big hits then fair enough. But at the minute that just isn't his role in the team, regardless of whether fans think it should be.

Re: masoe and the rest : Fri May 02, 2014 11:07 am  

Soliola had another bad day at the office defensively 4 misses again and only 22 tackles made.

Its becoming too regular an occurrence, and is reminiscent of his early days at Saints when he was regularly getting caught flat footed or going for the big hit and leaving huge defensive holes.

I personally regard him as the key defensive weak link.

Interesting stat, When Soliola plays starting back row we concede on average 26.8 points a game
When he doesn't its 14.3

Re: masoe and the rest : Fri May 02, 2014 11:22 am  

BackrowSaint wrote:

I think you're being really unfair on him.

I see what you're saying about the not smashing people impact role but that, quite simply, is not what we're asking him to do.

The role he is playing at the moment is big minutes making metres, which he is doing consistently and on a good number of occasions better than all our other forwards. He's also making his fair number of tackles, a lot aren't one on one as you say but people aren't running straight at him because they know what would happen.

I do think you have a good enough rugby brain to see this so I'm a little surprised at the criticism he's getting from you. When we have Laffranchi, Amor and the likes back fit and his role reverts to a 10 minute impact role and he still isn't making big runs and big hits then fair enough. But at the minute that just isn't his role in the team, regardless of whether fans think it should be.

I don't think I'm being unfair. I've nothing against him apart from I think he's not very good and here for a well paid holiday.

I always try to be honest with my posts and try not to favour players or go against By players, I'll call it how I see it.

For example, I love sia, love his all action style, aggression and heart but I'm not biased to the fact he's a massive liability in defence against teams like Wigan and hudds who structured attack take him apart.

He just doesn't look interested at all to me and at this moment in time, I feel we've brought in a stinker. I just can't see what he's going to give us. Hope I'm wrong but im pretty sure I won't be.

Re: masoe and the rest : Fri May 02, 2014 11:24 am  

St pete wrote:

I don't think I'm being unfair. I've nothing against him apart from I think he's not very good and here for a well paid holiday.

I always try to be honest with my posts and try not to favour players or go against By players, I'll call it how I see it.

For example, I love sia, love his all action style, aggression and heart but I'm not biased to the fact he's a massive liability in defence against teams like Wigan and hudds who structured attack take him apart.

He just doesn't look interested at all to me and at this moment in time, I feel we've brought in a stinker. I just can't see what he's going to give us. Hope I'm wrong but im pretty sure I won't be.

That's fair enough, you're usually pretty spot on but we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

Re: masoe and the rest : Fri May 02, 2014 11:25 am  

BackrowSaint wrote:

That's fair enough, you're usually pretty spot on but we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

I'm sure we can have this chat in October when the season done and dusted.

Re: masoe and the rest : Fri May 02, 2014 11:27 am  

St pete wrote:

I'm sure we can have this chat in October when the season done and dusted.

Absolutely and that will be the best time to judge!

Re: masoe and the rest : Fri May 02, 2014 12:48 pm  

He might be ok with super glue on his hands...along with a few others.

Re: masoe and the rest : Fri May 02, 2014 1:21 pm  

BackrowSaint wrote:

I think you're being really unfair on him.

I see what you're saying about the not smashing people impact role but that, quite simply, is not what we're asking him to do.

The role he is playing at the moment is big minutes making metres, which he is doing consistently and on a good number of occasions better than all our other forwards. He's also making his fair number of tackles, a lot aren't one on one as you say but people aren't running straight at him because they know what would happen.

I do think you have a good enough rugby brain to see this so I'm a little surprised at the criticism he's getting from you. When we have Laffranchi, Amor and the likes back fit and his role reverts to a 10 minute impact role and he still isn't making big runs and big hits then fair enough. But at the minute that just isn't his role in the team, regardless of whether fans think it should be.

I think the shoulder charge being outlawed has hit Mose pretty bad. Nearly all his hits was shoulder charges so maybe that's why he's not put one single big shot on as yet.