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St pete wrote:
Mossop and o'loughlin are both injury prone.

True.
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I'll be honest mate, I was surprised at how weak and flat you looked. Your forwards made very little ground and the majority of Smith's kicks came from his own half.

So was Is I!!!

The pack were completely dominated. On one set Hampshire picked it up on about 15 metres and Smith was kicking from the same place five tackles later.

I would have thought that KC would be delighted with that performance - with Walsh to return too.

I don't think anyone will write Wigan off. Lots to do though. And we are always rudderless without SOL (which in itself is worrying).
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St pete wrote:
Mossop and o'loughlin are both injury prone.


Unlike our forwards?
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saint at wire wrote:
Unlike our forwards?


I bet all our forwards played more games than mossop and SOL over the past two years.
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I bet all our forwards played more games than mossop and SOL over the past two years.


Mossop had a bad year in Aus last year but in his last two seasons at Wigan he played 26 and 24. O'Loughlin played 27 and 21 in that same period

Last season O'Loughlin played 23 games.

I guess that wouldn't be too much different to the likes of Wilkin, Amor and Flanagan (certainly last season)
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Mossop`s a poor player
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I suspect Wigan's pack will be a tougher prospect once Mossop, Flower, O'Loughlin and Tautai are in the lineup.

Correct. I'd also reserve jumping to the conclusion Wigan aren't up to much because of a pres eason friendly.

The problem with a match like this, between two quite even sides, is that when one turns up more focussed than the other (for what ever reason), they walk away with it.
I don't like picking a derby match for a friendly for exactly this reason. it cheapens it imo.

I was, however, surprised that it was us that turned up to play and not Wigan. They've been a more ruthless side over the past few seasons and I thought they'd have a real stick up their booty about the GF loss.
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Mossop`s a poor player

I dn't agree with this, but there may be a real argument that his periods of very good form have been reasonably short.
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I dn't agree with this, but there may be a real argument that his periods of very good form have been reasonably short.


I've never really seen the big thing with mossop myself tbh. Don't get me wrong he's a decent player but nothing to shout about
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Offside Monkey wrote:
Correct. I'd also reserve jumping to the conclusion Wigan aren't up to much because of a pres eason friendly.

The problem with a match like this, between two quite even sides, is that when one turns up more focussed than the other (for what ever reason), they walk away with it.
I don't like picking a derby match for a friendly for exactly this reason. it cheapens it imo.

I was, however, surprised that it was us that turned up to play and not Wigan. They've been a more ruthless side over the past few seasons and I thought they'd have a real stick up their booty about the GF loss.


Good points, and something that Shaun Wane has alluded to in his post match interview on Wigan t.v. and so did Dom Crosby.They said that Saints were the more enthusiastic and deserved their win.
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