Re: Hull FC Match Thread - Saints 12 v 19 Hull FC : Sat Aug 02, 2014 1:32 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Cas will win tomorrow and be on 32 points, and will have have a better points difference.

CAs are in the top 4. Or had you missed that??

Re: Hull FC Match Thread - Saints 12 v 19 Hull FC : Sat Aug 02, 2014 1:40 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

CAs are in the top 4. Or had you missed that??

I had, but if Hudds win they will join Wire on 30 and you have to play both of them, but I think they have also still to play each other. A lot will depend on who makes the CC Final.

Re: Hull FC Match Thread - Saints 12 v 19 Hull FC : Sat Aug 02, 2014 1:55 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

I had, but if Hudds win they will join Wire on 30 and you have to play both of them, but I think they have also still to play each other. A lot will depend on who makes the CC Final.

I haven't run every single permutation of results yet, but the worst case I have so far simulated saints finished 5th, and that was with a very specific set of results. If 1 team hits form and wins their remaining games, saints finish top 4.

Re: Hull FC Match Thread - Saints 12 v 19 Hull FC : Sat Aug 02, 2014 1:58 pm  

That's the point if we lose every game it will still be difficult to finish outside the top 4.

I don't think we will lose every game and whilst no longer favourites to finish top still think we are in with a shout.

Yesterdays game has no more bearing on the final league placings than the next.

Re: Hull FC Match Thread - Saints 12 v 19 Hull FC : Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:52 pm  

The frustrating thing for me is that without these daft results, we would have had the league leaders shield in the cabinet already and we could have used the remaining games to throw in Charnock or Hewitt and see how they went against a good side. If you remember, the one and only game Charnock played was in three feet of snow so hardly a good yardstick for his potential effect on the first team.

I coached Swifty at Saints service area level u14/u15 and he did play in the halves. One solution would be to put him in there and see how he goes. His poor defensive positioning would be less of an issue 3 in from the touchline rather than on the wing. At least with players either side of him he could be more structured and disciplined.

What surprises me is that this may be last chance saloon for Gary Wheeler. It's is one opportunity to string a run of games together and show that he really does have the nads to make it as a super league standard half back. He should have grabbed that game by the scruff of the neck and strangled the sh*t out if it. As it was, he was pretty anonymous.

If he carries on as he is for the remainder of the season, unless he's got lewd photos of the coaches wife, I can't see him being given a second/third/fourth/fifth chance to see if he lives up to his potential.

Re: Hull FC Match Thread - Saints 12 v 19 Hull FC : Sat Aug 02, 2014 3:11 pm  

The Chief wrote:

The frustrating thing for me is that without these daft results, we would have had the league leaders shield in the cabinet already and we could have used the remaining games to throw in Charnock or Hewitt and see how they went against a good side. If you remember, the one and only game Charnock played was in three feet of snow so hardly a good yardstick for his potential effect on the first team.

I coached Swifty at Saints service area level u14/u15 and he did play in the halves. One solution would be to put him in there and see how he goes. His poor defensive positioning would be less of an issue 3 in from the touchline rather than on the wing. At least with players either side of him he could be more structured and disciplined.

What surprises me is that this may be last chance saloon for Gary Wheeler. It's is one opportunity to string a run of games together and show that he really does have the nads to make it as a super league standard half back. He should have grabbed that game by the scruff of the neck and strangled the sh*t out if it. As it was, he was pretty anonymous.

If he carries on as he is for the remainder of the season, unless he's got lewd photos of the coaches wife, I can't see him being given a second/third/fourth/fifth chance to see if he lives up to his potential.

To be fair Wigan would say the same thing after losses to Cas, Wakefield and Bradford.
Wire would say the same thing about losses to Wakefield, Bradford and Widnes.
Leeds would say the same thing about losses to Huddersfield, Wakefield and Bradford.

Would it not be worth moving Makinson to fullback and having Swift and Dawson as wingers with Wellens in the halves?

Re: Hull FC Match Thread - Saints 12 v 19 Hull FC : Sat Aug 02, 2014 3:41 pm  

Wellens in the halfs???

Is that the solution, I'm not so sure. Last time he played in the halfs was a very very long time ago.

At least Swift would have recent experience there and we would not be shifting several players around and we could keep turner in the Centre to keep up some threat out wide.

As we are throwing wild suggestions about. How about this. Jones on the wing for Percival.

He's a big lad and the ball does get stuck in his hands at least on the wing he does not have to worry about the pass and could just use his bulk to barge over after Percival has made the hole.

Re: Hull FC Match Thread - Saints 12 v 19 Hull FC : Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:01 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

Wellens in the halfs???

Is that the solution, I'm not so sure. Last time he played in the halfs was a very very long time ago.

At least Swift would have recent experience there and we would not be shifting several players around and we could keep turner in the Centre to keep up some threat out wide.

As we are throwing wild suggestions about. How about this. Jones on the wing for Percival.

He's a big lad and the ball does get stuck in his hands at least on the wing he does not have to worry about the pass and could just use his bulk to barge over after Percival has made the hole.

Just swapping duds around wont improve things. I cant really see what Wello can add, he has no pace , he's not renowned for his passing or creative ability and he has no kicking game. The only things he brings to the table is experience and allegedly leadership

Re: Hull FC Match Thread - Saints 12 v 19 Hull FC : Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:04 pm  

St pete wrote:

I don't think we will win another game in 2014.

Pete, stop it your are now sounding like Saddened. What about your home game against Wakey? Surely that has a Saints win written all over it.

Re: Hull FC Match Thread - Saints 12 v 19 Hull FC : Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:30 pm  

The Chief wrote:

I coached Swifty at Saints service area level u14/u15 and he did play in the halves. One solution would be to put him in there and see how he goes. His poor defensive positioning would be less of an issue 3 in from the touchline rather than on the wing. At least with players either side of him he could be more structured and disciplined.

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I mentioned this last year and early this season when Lance was struggling to operate at 6.
Swifty started as a stand off and was suprised he was pushed out to the wing, Makinson was a centre and was pushed out to the wing, Jonesy was a half back and was pushed out to the centres, Charnock was a half back and pushed into the pack.
Does this mean our transition development to superleague is poor or is the coach not willing to take the risk.