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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Mon May 02, 2011 11:24 am  
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anywho, are shiny new stadium looked great this morning, the speed the frame is going up is phenominal, i imagine fitting it out will take a little longer

I wonder how many seats can be fitted in a day? Do they come pre-fixed in rows or do they have to be individually stuck in place I wonder?
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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Mon May 02, 2011 11:47 am  
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Going back to my comments about the terrace looking bigger than what the stated capacity in the plans is. I have looked into the official Green Guide for sports stadium safety

link: http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov. ... rounds.pdf

This stipulates that the maximum density of people per 10meters squared of terrace is 47.

By looking at the stadium plans, i can see that Saints have adopted a far lower density for the terrace.
My calculations put the density at 37.6 people per 10 metres squared of terrace (please dont ask about how do you work out half a person, its merely a statistical calculation)

From looking at the green guide i can see that there is something called the "S" factor in terrace capacity calculations. This is used to adjust the maximum density, based on a number of things such as a clubs proven ability to keep terrace gangways clear, and also evacuate a stadium within the required timescales. If a club has failed to show it can hit these targets, then the "s" factor is used to reduce the density.

It would therefore appear to me that because the club have yet to prove they can properly steward the new terraces, that the "s " factor is less than 100% of maximum legal capacity and has infact been set at approximately 80% of maximum spectator density.

This throws up the rather interesting possibility that further down the line, Saints may be able to increase the stadiums capacity, through merely being able to show good crowd management.

Ive calculated that the home terrace capacity may be able to go from 3800 to 4773, while the away terrace could go from 3940 upto 4923. Please note i have not included disabled spectator capacity in these figures as they would not change.
This represents an increase of 1956

If we add this onto the current stadium capacity of 17984 we arrive at a figure of 19940.

Of course the flipside is that if Saints show they cant manage a crowd at the current agreed capacity of 17984, then the stadium will have its capacity cut. This happened at the Halliwell Jones in Warrington, whereby a ground projected to have a capacity of 14200 had it cut to just over 13k.
This does make me wonder if Saints have learned from Wires experience, and rather than going for maximum terrace capacity from the off, they have adopted a more conservative outlook and gone for a capacity that should not cause any stadium management issues.

Something else to note, is that prior to the Hillsborough disaster, it was legal to have 54 people for 10 metres squared. This would have given the new west terrace a capacity of 5485 back in the 1980's.




I did these calculation last year on Red Vee, I got just shy of 20,000, the club in theory could get another 8.5 speccies
for every 10 square meters on the standing terrace, on top of that, the figures shown on the council stadium site for standing
is not accurate, its below the correct figure.
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Going back to my comments about the terrace looking bigger than what the stated capacity in the plans is. I have looked into the official Green Guide for sports stadium safety

link: http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov. ... rounds.pdf

This stipulates that the maximum density of people per 10meters squared of terrace is 47.

By looking at the stadium plans, i can see that Saints have adopted a far lower density for the terrace.
My calculations put the density at 37.6 people per 10 metres squared of terrace (please dont ask about how do you work out half a person, its merely a statistical calculation)

From looking at the green guide i can see that there is something called the "S" factor in terrace capacity calculations. This is used to adjust the maximum density, based on a number of things such as a clubs proven ability to keep terrace gangways clear, and also evacuate a stadium within the required timescales. If a club has failed to show it can hit these targets, then the "s" factor is used to reduce the density.

It would therefore appear to me that because the club have yet to prove they can properly steward the new terraces, that the "s " factor is less than 100% of maximum legal capacity and has infact been set at approximately 80% of maximum spectator density.

This throws up the rather interesting possibility that further down the line, Saints may be able to increase the stadiums capacity, through merely being able to show good crowd management.

Ive calculated that the home terrace capacity may be able to go from 3800 to 4773, while the away terrace could go from 3940 upto 4923. Please note i have not included disabled spectator capacity in these figures as they would not change.
This represents an increase of 1956

If we add this onto the current stadium capacity of 17984 we arrive at a figure of 19940.

Of course the flipside is that if Saints show they cant manage a crowd at the current agreed capacity of 17984, then the stadium will have its capacity cut. This happened at the Halliwell Jones in Warrington, whereby a ground projected to have a capacity of 14200 had it cut to just over 13k.
This does make me wonder if Saints have learned from Wires experience, and rather than going for maximum terrace capacity from the off, they have adopted a more conservative outlook and gone for a capacity that should not cause any stadium management issues.

Something else to note, is that prior to the Hillsborough disaster, it was legal to have 54 people for 10 metres squared. This would have given the new west terrace a capacity of 5485 back in the 1980's.




I did these calculation last year on Red Vee, I got just shy of 20,000, the club in theory could get another 8.5 speccies
for every 10 square meters on the standing terrace, on top of that, the figures shown on the council stadium site for standing
is not accurate, its below the correct figure.
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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Wed May 04, 2011 4:32 pm  
Yet another thread cleaned up. Lets stick to the topic in hand eh!

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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Wed May 04, 2011 4:37 pm  
I went past the stadium before and the North Stand is coming on nicely.
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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Thu May 05, 2011 10:15 am  
Thanks for the cleanup TS

They have started to dig the foundations for the footbridge on the Lyons Yard side of the link road this morning so more progress there .
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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Thu May 05, 2011 10:25 am  
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Thanks for the cleanup TS

They have started to dig the foundations for the footbridge on the Lyons Yard side of the link road this morning so more progress there .


Have you any idea what they are doing on the bottle shop side? That hardcore ramp just temporary for the machinery to work on the right level? As it completely blocks the new foot path they have made joining the KFC crossing with the walk to Tesco

Also I have read elsewhere that the bridge is due to be lifted into place one night in May so they are going to have to get a shift on to stick to that... be fun to see it though
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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Thu May 05, 2011 12:00 pm  
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Have you any idea what they are doing on the bottle shop side? That hardcore ramp just temporary for the machinery to work on the right level? As it completely blocks the new foot path they have made joining the KFC crossing with the walk to Tesco

Also I have read elsewhere that the bridge is due to be lifted into place one night in May so they are going to have to get a shift on to stick to that... be fun to see it though


Should imagine they are making the ramps and a stable surface for the pile driver, its a load of work for the length of time it will take to put about four piles either side.
But they are doing quiet a bit of work there besides the bridge, the pavement entrance to the supermarket and the approach from the railway arch is their work and a load of security camera's.
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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Fri May 06, 2011 6:25 am  
yes the poster said one Sunday towards the end of may to lift the bridge into position and as Doghead says the ramp is temorary to get the machines up there
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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Sat May 07, 2011 12:10 pm  
Looking fantastic

Has a name for the ground been decided on yet?

FWIW I think that we should just call it "the Halo" not the halo stadium etc and that would fit in nicely with sponsorship, Saints are now playing at the "Pilkington Halo" or whatever. Has a nice ring to it, but I dont know if I have read that somewhere as the name or potential name of the ground - seems a bit clever for me to have just come up with that :shock:
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Re: Stadium Site pictures : Sat May 07, 2011 5:27 pm  
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