Re: THE worst Saints team .. the decline is complete (I hope : Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:24 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

This is where Brown drives me nuts. Makinson has been at fullback for weeks. So why does he end up on the wing and Charnock, who hasn't played at fullback in the first team ever, end up at fullback? Bloody ridiculous.

The original plan was Makinson at FB. Swift was injured so the plan changed. It's not like it was a tactical decision, it was forced.

Re: THE worst Saints team .. the decline is complete (I hope : Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:38 pm  

Albion wrote:

The original plan was Makinson at FB. Swift was injured so the plan changed. It's not like it was a tactical decision, it was forced.

So why not put Charnock on the wing? That was my point. Why play TWO players out of position rather than just the one (ie Charnock)?

Re: THE worst Saints team .. the decline is complete (I hope : Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:44 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Albion wrote:

The original plan was Makinson at FB. Swift was injured so the plan changed. It's not like it was a tactical decision, it was forced.

So why not put Charnock on the wing? That was my point. Why play TWO players out of position rather than just the one (ie Charnock)?

Makinson is a winger? So never played out of position?

Re: THE worst Saints team .. the decline is complete (I hope : Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:55 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Albion wrote:

The original plan was Makinson at FB. Swift was injured so the plan changed. It's not like it was a tactical decision, it was forced.

So why not put Charnock on the wing? That was my point. Why play TWO players out of position rather than just the one (ie Charnock)?

Mr Brown doesn't work like that, he likes to make things more difficult. Does he never think he's got a guy who's played all his career at fullback and scored a lot of tries, who could have switched position with Makinson.

Re: THE worst Saints team .. the decline is complete (I hope : Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:00 pm  

Albion wrote:

Makinson is a winger? So never played out of position?

He isn't a winger though. He only started playing on the wing in the first team. Until then he'd played at centre and fullback. And more to the point, he'd been developing at fullback and the team had been getting used to him at fullback. Charnock had only featured in the team for half a match against Salford and I believe is a halfback. So Brown sticks him in the vital position of fullback, when the team had no idea how he played or what to do with him, and sticks Makinson back on the wing where he hasn't played in weeks.

Sorry, but that was a dumb call by Brown, and not the first, and it probably put more pressure on the team than there needed to be.

Re: THE worst Saints team .. the decline is complete (I hope : Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:01 pm  

roader wrote:

Mr Brown doesn't work like that, he likes to make things more difficult. Does he never think he's got a guy who's played all his career at fullback and scored a lot of tries, who could have switched position with Makinson.

There is another sensible option completely not taken, although I'd counter that one I suppose with the lack of experience we would have then had in the halves, with both Ashe and Charnock given no time at all to speak of in their respective positions (again, thanks to Brown's dumb choice of putting Wello with Wilkin instead of blooding Ashe or Charnock there when the chance arose).

Re: THE worst Saints team .. the decline is complete (I hope : Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:15 pm  

Wellens to FB???

Re: THE worst Saints team .. the decline is complete (I hope : Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:24 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

Wellens to FB???

Yes. When Lomax got injured he should have been given the spot again and Makinson back on the wing. Why make things difficult by playing players all over the place when there is no need.

Re: THE worst Saints team .. the decline is complete (I hope : Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:25 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

He isn't a winger though. He only started playing on the wing in the first team. Until then he'd played at centre and fullback. And more to the point, he'd been developing at fullback and the team had been getting used to him at fullback. Charnock had only featured in the team for half a match against Salford and I believe is a halfback. So Brown sticks him in the vital position of fullback, when the team had no idea how he played or what to do with him, and sticks Makinson back on the wing where he hasn't played in weeks.

Sorry, but that was a dumb call by Brown, and not the first, and it probably put more pressure on the team than there needed to be.

As I said - Charnock's apparently played a lot of fullback & Makinson has played the majority of his senior games on the wing. Sensible option for me, rather than playing Charnock out of position against Dixon.

Re: THE worst Saints team .. the decline is complete (I hope : Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:41 pm  

Going back to the squad as a whole, whilst we're debating a lot about bringling Lomax and Roby back to improve the attack, its worth noting how much muscle is missing from our defence.

Robe's is worth about 40 takles a match and Manu was knocking out 35 before his injury -an these are big strong boys who can dominate in the tackle.