Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Mon May 14, 2012 8:51 pm  

Saint Simon wrote:

Good post.

With some very good coaching by Brown, and a few squad tweaks, we'll be back where we belong at the top

The squad tweaks are not minor, though.

We've two, possibly three, positions that simply must be filled with proven quality. That said, I'm confident Brown is a superb acquisition and there are not many I'd have chosen before him.

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Mon May 14, 2012 8:54 pm  

McClennan wrote:

So basically what you and the other pieaters appear to be saying is that you're currently better than us with better players and didn't play well at all on Saturday yet you were only fourteen points better, playing at home, than a team that you've all just said are rubbish and played very poorly? If we're only fourteen points behind you after that then it won't be too hard to make up the difference.

A fairly poor Wigan performance high in errors was 14 points better than a Saints side that was completing sets and had a lot of possession close to our line but looked clueless as to how to get over it. I'd argue that was our worst performance of the season, bar Hudds at home on the first day. We had a couple more gears and if some of the half-chances had stuck we'd have put another 20-30 points on you.

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Mon May 14, 2012 8:57 pm  

Cragganmore Kid wrote:

The squad tweaks are not minor, though.

We've two, possibly three, positions that simply must be filled with proven quality. That said, I'm confident Brown is a superb acquisition and there are not many I'd have chosen before him.

ok, not so minor, a proper halfback and a fullback, and a proper prop!

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Mon May 14, 2012 8:57 pm  

Saint Simon wrote:

With some very good coaching by Brown, and a few squad tweaks, we'll be back where we belong at the top

We need more than a few squad tweaks.

I think people need to be careful about putting too much hope in Brown. He's done great things with Hudds. Potter did great things with Catalan. Lots of people are now saying Potter was a poor coach at Saints. Daniel Anderson was a great coach for us but he was fired by other clubs. Just because Brown has done wonders with Hudds does not mean he will have the same impact on a Saints team. I think people need to be realistic.

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Mon May 14, 2012 10:10 pm  

SomersetSaint wrote:

Sadly, at the minute, I agree with the crust muncher. We may have only lost by 14 points, but lets face, it were rubbish. Yes, the Goons were crap too, but that shouldn't be allowed to paper over the cracks, and admit that right now, we are poor. Only was we admit that, can we begin the process of regaining our former position. If we keep deluding ourselves that we are "nearly there", then we will return to the nearly men days before Super League.

I wasn't papering over the cracks. I thought I was pretty clear in saying that we are basically rudderless with coaches thrown in at the deep end and yet we were only fourteen points behind them. What happens when we're not rudderless with a coach that hasn't been thrown in at the deep end?

It doesn't take a genius to recognise that we do not need a wholesale clear out like some lunatics on both side of Billinge appear to be arguing. All I'm hearing from several of our fans is "If he isn't scoring 90m tries or winning man of the match every week" then replace him. There are areas in need of strengthening but we are not the Ian Millward era Wigoon as some people are trying to suggest.

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Mon May 14, 2012 10:24 pm  

A Wigan Saints derby will look like wrestlemania next year with Brown in charge, i think Brown will have the bottle to finally put some players to pasture too.

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Mon May 14, 2012 10:27 pm  

Horatio Yed wrote:

A Wigan Saints derby will look like wrestlemania next year with Brown in charge, i think Brown will have the bottle to finally put some players to pasture too.

I hope so, and i want some aggresion back in our pack

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Mon May 14, 2012 10:36 pm  

At least at Hudds you can see he's promoting the kids and he's getting in some shrewd signings, Luke George for instance, he personally didn't think he'd cut it at Giants but he's doing well.

I like Brown and there's a chance some of his better players might come with him, he certainly gets a lot out of his squads.

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Tue May 15, 2012 7:56 am  

McClennan wrote:

So basically what you and the other pieaters appear to be saying is that you're currently better than us with better players and didn't play well at all on Saturday yet you were only fourteen points better, playing at home, than a team that you've all just said are rubbish and played very poorly? If we're only fourteen points behind you after that then it won't be too hard to make up the difference.

I did say both teams were poor. Don't kid yourself that you played poorly and we didn't. I don't think either side will play as poorly at the Etihad in a couple of weeks time, but I still expect us to win there given the current line ups of the teams.

Re: Quarter Final Aftermath : Tue May 15, 2012 7:59 am  

Fair enough if most of you think coaching is the only difference. We are 'well drilled' and you are not. I think it has more to do with the personnel of the teams. After all we are coached by a clueless ape.