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Re: Willie Manu : Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:30 pm  
For every Bradley Clyde and Paul Sculthorpe there's a Paul Anderson and Darren Smith.

Sure Willie Manu could get injured, but he could also give us two fantastic seasons. Manu is the type of player we need - a line breaking forward who offloads in the tackle. He's worth the risk that some claim he is to be.
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Re: Willie Manu : Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:47 pm  
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For every Bradley Clyde and Paul Sculthorpe there's a Paul Anderson and Darren Smith.

Sure Willie Manu could get injured, but he could also give us two fantastic seasons. Manu is the type of player we need - a line breaking forward who offloads in the tackle. He's worth the risk that some claim he is to be.

Agreed :thumb:
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Re: Willie Manu : Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:52 pm  
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For every Bradley Clyde and Paul Sculthorpe there's a Paul Anderson and Darren Smith.


Are you QUITE sure about this. For each Bradley Clyde there is a Paul Anderson? It's a one-to-one relationship? Or are you playing word games and obfuscating the truth that for every Paul Anderson there are two Bradley Clydes or three, or four?

I mean, has faith in science sunk to such a level that we now doubt what anyone over the age of 30 knows only too well - that the body is easier to injure and takes longer to heal?

Sure Willie Manu could get injured, but he could also give us two fantastic seasons. Manu is the type of player we need - a line breaking forward who offloads in the tackle. He's worth the risk that some claim he is to be.


And Manu is the ONLY option we could pursue? We couldn't, say, save money on him and invest it in a half-back? I think our pack is pretty decent right now. What value can Manu provide that a creative half-back couldn't outweigh?
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Re: Willie Manu : Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:09 pm  
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Are you QUITE sure about this. For each Bradley Clyde there is a Paul Anderson? It's a one-to-one relationship? Or are you playing word games and obfuscating the truth that for every Paul Anderson there are two Bradley Clydes or three, or four?


I haven't got time to reel off a full list of players and compare those who have suffered badly at 30+ to those that haven't, but there are plenty of players who have given plenty of value in their 30's. Some examples at Saints - Kevin Ward, Keiron Cunningham, Darren Smith, Darren Britt, David Fairleigh, Sean Long. At other clubs - Menzies, Hodgson, Carmont, Barrett, Lam etc.

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And Manu is the ONLY option we could pursue? We couldn't, say, save money on him and invest it in a half-back? I think our pack is pretty decent right now. What value can Manu provide that a creative half-back couldn't outweigh?


I didn't say he was the only option, I said he is the type of player we need. Our pack is decent, but it doesn't have a great deal of impact apart from Soliola and sometimes Puletua when he's played in the back row. The rest are all grafters really, none are gamebreaking players. Manu brings that ability to a side. Manu is certainly superior to Flannery.

Regarding half backs, well we've just signed Hohaia to play there and should Nathan Brown want a half back, I'm sure he'll be on the lookout for one, but without any quota places who do you bring in? We'd have to release someone (paying out their contract) to even entertain the idea. Look at the OOC list from non quota players and I'd say Manu is arguably the best player on the list who would add to our squad.
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Re: Willie Manu : Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:56 pm  
Can't see us signing a half back till Brown has had a year with the current players. Signing a half back before he comes would be madness. We would potentially have 5/6 halfbacks on deals for the full period of Browns tenure, with him having no say in choosing any of them.

His attacking choices would be very restricted if this was the case.

If he does not want to play lance or Lomax at 6 or 7, then he would have room to shift about and bring in his own man, but if we put another halfback in the team before he gets here, he will just be able to pick wingers for the next 3 years and props for the next 2 after 2013.

As for Manu his stats are brilliant.
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Re: Willie Manu : Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:43 pm  
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By "experience" you mean intuition?

Well, I'll back scientifically supported studies which show the body is at greater risk of injury around the age of 30 (decreased elasticity, calcification, hardening of cartilage, general wear and tear) over your intuition any day of the week.

I would say Saints have significant experience of players in their prime picking up serious injuries, and that statistically, players in their mid twenties have been at least as prone to injury as those in their thirties.
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Re: Willie Manu : Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:00 pm  
Manu not necessarily a done deal. Could be off to Les Cats.

Personally I would take a punt if the money was not too much.
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Re: Willie Manu : Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:16 pm  
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Manu not necessarily a done deal. Could be off to Les Cats.

Personally I would take a punt if the money was not too much.

I would
Imagine whoever signs him will be paying top dollar
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Re: Willie Manu : Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:32 pm  
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Manu not necessarily a done deal. Could be off to Les Cats.

Personally I would take a punt if the money was not too much.


Is he? Rubbish player anyway.
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Re: Willie Manu : Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:32 am  
Watched superleague full time last night and Willie looked like he he didn't want to be at Hull anymore or he was crap? Hull should drop him so he's fit for us next year
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