Re: Has the Leeds Era come to an end? : Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:39 pm  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

Getting Quins into the play offs would have been a coaching achievement. Did he ever succeed in that?

Has McCrae got Salford into the playoffs yet? Yet McCrae won silverware with Saints. Who is to say McDermott won't win silverware with Leeds given that they are supposed to be a better team than Quins?

Re: Has the Leeds Era come to an end? : Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:15 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

That's because it's tosh.

Please explain why.

How will the Superleague money be dished out?
The money is distributed according to FINAL league places

Over to you.

Re: Has the Leeds Era come to an end? : Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:43 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

Has McCrae got Salford into the playoffs yet? Yet McCrae won silverware with Saints.

If we'd have put McRae in charge of saints this year instead of Royce, would you be expecting silverwear? I wouldn't.

McRae appeared from australia ahead of the game. By the time his 3 year tenure was over, the other coaches had could him up and saints were looking pretty ordinary.

Re: Has the Leeds Era come to an end? : Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:02 am  

Sam Buca II wrote:

They are, yes, but Leeds & McDermott are now as one. You're writing Leeds' chances off because McDermott is in charge.

I am writing off Leeds for a few reasons and one of them will be because McDermott is in charge. This does not mean that I am writing off McDermott as a coach. If I was writing off McDermott as a coach I would say "McDermott is never going to be a good coach".

McDermott needs to develop more before taking on a position as coach at a club with the pedigree and expectations of Leeds which is bloody obvious if you ask me. It could be a once in a lifetime opportunity for the man (in the same way it was for Darryl Powell) so I can understand why he wouldn't want to pass it up.

In my business world you have to prove yourself capable of managing a small area effectively before you will get the opportunity to take on a role that is bigger with more responsibility. In my analysis of McDermott he has managed a small area with limited effectiveness. Has he been effective enough to suggest that he can manage something bigger? Not from where I'm stood. If he'd turned Harlequins RL into consistent top eight material then there is a case for him getting the Leeds job. He hasn't, therefore I see little in your argument to counter what I am stating. It's pretty obvious to me, however I understand why you choose to not see it.

Re: Has the Leeds Era come to an end? : Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:42 am  

I see where you're coming from, but it has the potential to be a good move for Leeds, he's unproven at club level, (excl. Quins as they have a budget smaller than my salary). Brian McClennan was unproven at club level, as was Maguire. If you expected McDermott to do anything other than be unsuccessful at Quins then you're deluded.

Re: Has the Leeds Era come to an end? : Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:23 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Has McCrae got Salford into the playoffs yet? Yet McCrae won silverware with Saints. Who is to say McDermott won't win silverware with Leeds given that they are supposed to be a better team than Quins?

Would you give McRae the Saints job because he won trophies over a decade a go? Do you think McDermott is at the same level as a coach that has been on a downward slope since 1996?

Quins were competing with Crusaders, Salford, Cas and Wakey and finished lower than all of them. Leeds are a better team than Quins, however they aren't a better team than us, Wigan or Warrington and that's who is is now competing with. He's not shown anything so far that indicates he will be successful at a higher level.

Re: Has the Leeds Era come to an end? : Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:34 pm  

Sam Buca II wrote:

If you expected McDermott to do anything other than be unsuccessful at Quins then you're deluded.

Why? I've seen coaches improve teams with little change in playing personnel e.g. Stuart Raper, Nathan Brown, Michael Maguire. I would guess that one of the reasons why Harlequins RL haven't improved is because McDermott isn't good enough to get that improvement out of them. What has McDermott done that is any better than Steve McNamara? Brian McClennan nilled the Australians in a final. Nilled! And whilst international results may not be the best indicator of future success it is damn sight better on your CV than what Brian McDermott has.

Re: Has the Leeds Era come to an end? : Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:45 pm  

6-10 months ago McDermott seemed to have quite a few fans, people were complimenting him as a disciplinarian and how he commanded a lot of respect. He hasn't held it together at Quins, that may have been unaviodable because of prbelms with playing staff etc, but he'd not covered himself in glory over the past year.

He may do ok at Leeds from the off, but I would wager that it will certainly be beyond next season when he develops his tactics and training to be a top two team manager.

Re: Has the Leeds Era come to an end? : Tue Oct 26, 2010 3:38 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

That's how it works, and how the prize money is dished out.

1) Wigan (now that feels good)
2) Saints (again)
3) Leeds
4) Huddersfield
5) Warrington
6) Hull K.R
7) Hull
8 Crusaders

Sorry Rogues, your wrong on that one. Officially Warrington finished third. I asked the question to the RFL, please find the answer below,

The final finishing positions in the league table are after the weekly rounds. Therefore

Warrington finished 3rd.



Regards,



Reception

RFL
Red Hall, Red Hall Lane, Leeds LS17 8NB

08444 777113

08444 770013

Unless the RFL are wrong, and they have been a few times!

Re: Has the Leeds Era come to an end? : Tue Oct 26, 2010 3:53 pm  

Lippy wrote:

Sorry Rogues, your wrong on that one. Officially Warrington finished third. I asked the question to the RFL, please find the answer below,

Unless the RFL are wrong, and they have been a few times!

that was my understanding, and that all the gate receipts including OT are put in a pot and split equally between the 8 teams (after the rfl have had their share i'd imagine)