Re: Jack Owens : Sat Nov 07, 2015 10:04 am  

Oh Dear.

I think people are struggling a little spotting the difference
between the pointed criticism as opposed to some of the
parody/wit.

Saddo is a bit of a Frankie Boyle.

Quite amusing to see some of the outrage and
the sound of toys being launched from prams.

Re: Jack Owens : Sat Nov 07, 2015 12:21 pm  

I've had the sad one on ignore for a year now.

People claim that he's just amusing, but actually I've never seen him be positive about Saints at all. If Rogues was saying this stuff there would be calls for the mods to ban him.

Actually I've seen more supportive comments from Rogues about Saints, than I have from the Sad one.
I only get to see his nonsense now when he is quoted, but he is true to form from what I have seen.

Re: Jack Owens : Sat Nov 07, 2015 2:37 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

I've had the sad one on ignore for a year now.

People claim that he's just amusing, but actually I've never seen him be positive about Saints at all..

That's just a lie. Half of the Saints fans on this forum quote me in their signatures. I even praised Wello twice over two seasons (Leeds win with the kids and after the GF), so not true to say I never say anything positive.

Saints fans have gone soft. I can remember when the Blobby and his mates stormed the Director's box at Knowsley Road in a bid to overthrow McManus. We used to create an electric atmosphere and inspire the team, now it's like a morgue. We used to kick off at the slightest thing and protest, try to force changes through. Now we might as well put seats in behind the stands as there is no atmosphere in the ground. Off the field we're happy (KC confirmed it this week) to be the 4th best side in Super League. There is only really now my pressure fighting against the apathy, a lone beacon in the darkness of averageness.

If we finish outside the 4 next season a lot of you will jump on the bandwagon and claim you were always in my crew. It'll be KC that gets the blame at that stage and not McManus and Rush and I'm not sure how fair that is or isn't as we never learn who is in control at Saints. Who exactly is buying these players? We used to sign stars to add to our stars and we used to pile up trophies or die trying. Now we sign players relegation candidates don't want and fill the squad with utility players, to ensure an inevitable mediocrity. Perhaps it's a mirror of modern sport in general that long-term 'okay' is lower risk than trying to win, then suffering when you need to rebuild. But am I really the only Saints fan that is slightly miffed about the club being okay with 4th and no trophies?

Re: Jack Owens : Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:06 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

That's just a lie. Half of the Saints fans on this forum quote me in their signatures. I even praised Wello twice over two seasons (Leeds win with the kids and after the GF), so not true to say I never say anything positive.

Saints fans have gone soft. I can remember when the Blobby and his mates stormed the Director's box at Knowsley Road in a bid to overthrow McManus. We used to create an electric atmosphere and inspire the team, now it's like a morgue. We used to kick off at the slightest thing and protest, try to force changes through. Now we might as well put seats in behind the stands as there is no atmosphere in the ground. Off the field we're happy (KC confirmed it this week) to be the 4th best side in Super League. There is only really now my pressure fighting against the apathy, a lone beacon in the darkness of averageness.

If we finish outside the 4 next season a lot of you will jump on the bandwagon and claim you were always in my crew. It'll be KC that gets the blame at that stage and not McManus and Rush and I'm not sure how fair that is or isn't as we never learn who is in control at Saints. Who exactly is buying these players? We used to sign stars to add to our stars and we used to pile up trophies or die trying. Now we sign players relegation candidates don't want and fill the squad with utility players, to ensure an inevitable mediocrity. Perhaps it's a mirror of modern sport in general that long-term 'okay' is lower risk than trying to win, then suffering when you need to rebuild. But am I really the only Saints fan that is slightly miffed about the club being okay with 4th and no trophies?

The idea that people take some kind of perverse satisfaction from finishing fourth is a false dichotomy and ridiculous. Just because people aren't throwing a tantrum every time Saints lose a game it doesn't mean they are somehow in favour of mediocrity.

This notion that if only people cared as much as you everything would be fine is a classic case of delusional thinking which says more about your inability to deal with complexity than anything else.

I once thought you'd grow out of this nonsense but if anything you seem to be getting worse. Half the time it's like watching the Reverend Jim Jones during the last days of the People's Temple in Guyana.

Re: Jack Owens : Sat Nov 07, 2015 5:32 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

The idea that people take some kind of perverse satisfaction from finishing fourth is a false dichotomy and ridiculous. Just because people aren't throwing a tantrum every time Saints lose a game it doesn't mean they are somehow in favour of mediocrity.

This notion that if only people cared as much as you everything would be fine is a classic case of delusional thinking which says more about your inability to deal with complexity than anything else.

I once thought you'd grow out of this nonsense but if anything you seem to be getting worse. Half the time it's like watching the Reverend Jim Jones during the last days of the People's Temple in Guyana.

I'm just shocked that anybody pays attention to the deluded idiot any more. I don't believe he is a Saints fan at all but some Warrington schoolchild with nothing better to do!

Re: Jack Owens : Sat Nov 07, 2015 6:22 pm  

I often disagree with Saddened's posts particularly with his negativity. However, I have never seen him be abusive or nasty to any posters on here or react angrily to ridicule from others.

He's even stepped in to stop me tearing into you in the past, Muggers.

Let's all be a bit more tolerant.

Re: Jack Owens : Sat Nov 07, 2015 7:28 pm  

Twentyman wrote:

I often disagree with Saddened's posts particularly with his negativity. However, I have never seen him be abusive or nasty to any posters on here or react angrily to ridicule from others.

He's even stepped in to stop me tearing into you in the past, Muggers.

Let's all be a bit more tolerant.

Tolerant of what? A Warrington troll ripping our club to bits on OUR board with no recourse from the mods!!!!!

Re: Jack Owens : Sat Nov 07, 2015 8:49 pm  

Dux wrote:

Indeed. It's tricky. Another point is that I think one of the main reasons he brought Turner into the middle was that we desperately needed pace in the pivot positions. Now that we have Fages on board there's less need for that (assuming Fages gets a spot in the halves and not as a rotation 9). I suppose one way around it would be to spell Wilkin and Turner at 13, so that they're not on the pitch at the same time. Then you'd have the added bonus of having a forward on the bench who can cover across the backline and in the halves. But if that's to work Turner will need a serious off season to get him accustomed to regular game time defending in the middle. For me something like the following could work (although 1: I'm not so confident about Peyroux at centre, and 2: there are so many unknowns it's basically a guessing game)

That's what happened with Wilkin and Turner at the end of the year. Wilkin would play half the game as the left second row (with Turner at loose), and with Turner off, Wilkin at loose. With Fages hopefully in place of Burns, we should have a bit more running threat in the middle, in which case our team is better balanced with Turner at centre...providing he has a lot of work done on his defensive decision making in pre-season.

Re: Jack Owens : Sun Nov 08, 2015 12:31 am  

Top Saint wrote:

Tolerant of what? A Warrington troll ripping our club to bits on OUR board with no recourse from the mods!!!!!

A Saints fan, with a different opinion.

It depends on what your idea of being a fan is...is it to blindly support your team no matter how they play or who they sign etc or is it to want more/better for your team and thus criticise and question certain decisions that you feel don't benefit your club?

4th isn't good enough for our club, he's right. And we don't make those real big name signings anymore, and that can look to many like it reflects a lack of ambition, especially to fans who have followed Saints for 30+ years. So I see his point although I don't totally agree with it.

Re: Jack Owens : Sun Nov 08, 2015 6:21 am  

I have never met a SINGLE PERSON who "blindly follows the club" (or ANY club for that matter) without questioning a single decision. People aren't robots - programmed to behave only in this fashion or that.

The truth is this is not a mutually exclusive question. We all support the club AND criticize it when we feel things aren't right.

However, when people start attacking players before they've played so much as a single game in the club's colours then I think there's a reasonable question as to how much support they are really providing.