Re: Leeds game : Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:14 am  

bewareshadows wrote:

It has nothing to do with defence.

Really? That's exactly what it looked like to me. Our defence was probably the worst I've ever seen.

Mind you I stopped watching before half time and decided to stick hot needles into my eyeballs instead which turned out to be much less painful than watching saints.

Re: Leeds game : Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:11 am  

Saddened! wrote:

Fair enough, I maybe just don't like Swift as he's so ugly and that annoys me as well. He's had a fair few bad games this season.

I've never been a fan of Turner, never rated him. He seems a couple of stone overweight. When he went the length of Langtree Park against us, he could shift. Now he can't and I agree entirely on his defending.

Mose is useless for a man of his size, but it's up to KC to get him firing and he's failing massively. An fired up Mose is a unique asset in SL, there is no one else like him. We're not getting enough out of him, but the use of him is bizarre at times. Tonight in his first spell Mose ten minutes chasing after Leeds players as they ran diagonally away from him. He had one 'run' where the ball was thrown to his feet and he had to trap it and pick it up and he was taken off. I understand he's lazy at times, but when you drag him off so quickly what is he supposed to do? He was better in his second spell but again was dragged off. If KC isn't happy with his effort, he shouldn't pick him.

Another excuse being made for Mose. Shouldnt a experninced NRL international prop be able to get himself up for the game? Why should KC have to get him up for it ?

It's pretty clear he was one of them kids who was bigger than everyone else growing up and was probably running thru teams all thru his youth. As the other players have grown and improved he still just counts on his size and I imagine year upon year he got worse and worse but got by as he's huge.

He's so overweight and unfit it's embarrassing for a pro. He looks like a big fat pudding of a player.

Re: Leeds game : Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:19 am  

Mugwump wrote:

Richards is 19. We've no right to expect anything special from someone so young. If anything I'd say he's above the curve.

And we also have Thompson and Sav who are on a learning curve and that's why I keep banging on about us needing a prop NOW!

We can't keep asking walmsley to run himself into the ground like we are doing. As stated Amor is in a dip of form at the moment (still works his socks off) so we are then left with the 8 min wonder in mose and im 100% we can't count on him.

Vea being out puts more pressure on Amor and Walmsley as he puts in a good 80min shift and takes the work load off walmsley and Amor.

Re: Leeds game : Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:32 am  

I agree about Amor but I thought he had his best game of the season last night.

Re: Leeds game : Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:51 am  

Albion wrote:

I agree about Amor but I thought he had his best game of the season last night.

He did. The thing with amour he still works his socks off and you knock him for that. The effort and heart is always there but we need another prop and need him now.

Re: Leeds game : Sat Apr 18, 2015 8:33 am  

St pete wrote:

He did. The thing with amour he still works his socks off and you knock him for that. The effort and heart is always there but we need another prop and need him now.

No we don't. You keep repeating that Amor is having "a dip in form" but he's not. Look at his stars and you see a strong performance even in defeat last night. Certainly no worse than other forwards. Amor does his job, providing solid tackling and usually requires 3 defenders to pull him down, tiring the defence. He also provides genuine aggression where Saints have often been lacking in that regard. This claim about his form has become a reflex, but I see no evidence to support it.

We have Amor, Walmsley, Savelio, Richards, Masoe, Thompson, Vea and LMS who can all play prop. That's easily comparable in quantity and quality to the prop rosters of Leeds, Wigan or Wire: 4 experienced international standard guys and some understudies.

The very effectiveness of this shows in the fact that we've not lost a forward battle all year. Even last night our forwards matched Leeds fairly comfortably. So getting yet another prop would be using scarce resources for marginal gains.

We certainly need an effective reserve hooker before we destroy Roby completely. Obviously Cunningham doesn't think Hohaia can do that job, so we need to fill that gap urgently. But IMO by far our greatest need is a genuine attacking threat in the back 5. Every one of Leeds' or Wigan's back five offers a greater threat than any of ours. What's more, both Wigan and Leeds had backs not playing who would still be the best threequarter/fb in our side : Hall, Charnley, Bowen, Briscoe would all be automatic picks for us too. The best I can say about our back five is that they'll get more chances now Wals is back, but I can't really picture any of them - even with Walsh - offering the same attacking threat as any of the Wigan or Leeds backs.

So no, we don't need another prop. It's probably the position in which we are strongest, along with second row. We need a hooker, and we need an attacking back.

Re: Leeds game : Sat Apr 18, 2015 8:43 am  

Roy Haggerty wrote:

No we don't. You keep repeating that Amor is having "a dip in form" but he's not. Look at his stars and you see a strong performance even in defeat last night. Certainly no worse than other forwards. Amor does his job, providing solid tackling and usually requires 3 defenders to pull him down, tiring the defence. He also provides genuine aggression where Saints have often been lacking in that regard. This claim about his form has become a reflex, but I see no evidence to support it.

We have Amor, Walmsley, Savelio, Richards, Masoe, Thompson, Vea and LMS who can all play prop. That's easily comparable in quantity and quality to the prop rosters of Leeds, Wigan or Wire: 4 experienced international standard guys and some understudies.

The very effectiveness of this shows in the fact that we've not lost a forward battle all year. Even last night our forwards matched Leeds fairly comfortably. So getting yet another prop would be using scarce resources for marginal gains.

We certainly need an effective reserve hooker before we destroy Roby completely. Obviously Cunningham doesn't think Hohaia can do that job, so we need to fill that gap urgently. But IMO by far our greatest need is a genuine attacking threat in the back 5. Every one of Leeds' or Wigan's back five offers a greater threat than any of ours. What's more, both Wigan and Leeds had backs not playing who would still be the best threequarter/fb in our side : Hall, Charnley, Bowen, Briscoe would all be automatic picks for us too. The best I can say about our back five is that they'll get more chances now Wals is back, but I can't really picture any of them - even with Walsh - offering the same attacking threat as any of the Wigan or Leeds backs.

So no, we don't need another prop. It's probably the position in which we are strongest, along with second row. We need a hooker, and we need an attacking back.

Hang on a minute! I'm not bagging Amor at all! In fact I'm praising him as I said, he's having a little dip but works his socks off and never stops!

We DO need a prop. Richards is 19 and having a littke 2nd season syndrome which is to be expected at that age. Thompson is 19 and again we can't ask to much of him and Sav has struggled but had his best game last night. Those 3 young props could be very very good props but we can't ask to much of 19 year old lads!

That leaves us with Alex and mose. Big Alex Imo is the best prop so far this season in super league.

I'm not even going to waste my time on mose as he's just a complete waste of space.

Re: Leeds game : Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:55 am  

Completly agree another prop would be a luxury we dont need. We're crying out for a international outside back. Imagine Watkins running onto them Walsh passes last night. Instead we have the likes of Flanagan and Jones killing our attacks as soon as they get the ball.

Re: Leeds game : Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:13 am  

Mugwump wrote:

How many tries did Makinson get last season?
Who won the title last season?

That makes it sound like you're living in the past.

Re: Leeds game : Sat Apr 18, 2015 12:10 pm  

Roy Haggerty wrote:

No we don't. You keep repeating that Amor is having "a dip in form" but he's not. Look at his stars and you see a strong performance even in defeat last night.

His stats last night were ok. His stats against Hull were exceedingly poor.

He missed SEVEN tackles (by comparison Mose missed two). His total number of drives wasn't up to his usual standard either. He looks a bit short of weight. Maybe the club worked him hard in the off-season. Maybe he picked up a virus. Whatever - it has affected his form, somewhat.