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bewareshadows wrote:
I don't think the post was an attack on Ashe.

Nobody said it was.

It's nothing to do with age.

Nobody said it was. However, had he had more experience then he may have been better prepared. And that lack of experience, this season at least, is down to the coach and his foolish decision to play Wello in the halves with Wilkin instead of one of our younger halves.
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bewareshadows wrote:
I don't think the post was an attack on Ashe. But just simply stating that Ashe in comparison was not as good. It's not to say he did not try or do his best.

I think from what I heard, he tried everything he could.

It's nothing to do with age.

Same as with Wellens when he plays halfback. He is not as good, I'm sure he busts a gut and tries everything he knows, but effort will only get you so far and ability is what we are missing.


It wasn't an attack, you're right, but from what I saw on Saturday he didn't look like a first receiver - that was my point. I thought a lot of his ball choices were poor and that meant that we rarely threatened the fringes when we were on their line.

I think we had 3 consecutive sets of 6 on their line in the second half and didn't threaten once. Purely for the reason above re: ball choices. Arguable that these decisions come with time and experience, but hitting the short ball every play meant that if we didn't barge over (or score from distance, Jones blitzed their right centre time after time and made countless breaks) we wouldn't score.

It was a very frustrating match to watch.
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It wasn't an attack, you're right, but from what I saw on Saturday he didn't look like a first receiver - that was my point. I thought a lot of his ball choices were poor and that meant that we rarely threatened the fringes when we were on their line.

I think we had 3 consecutive sets of 6 on their line in the second half and didn't threaten once. Purely for the reason above re: ball choices. Arguable that these decisions come with time and experience, but hitting the short ball every play meant that if we didn't barge over (or score from distance, Jones blitzed their right centre time after time and made countless breaks) we wouldn't score.

It was a very frustrating match to watch.

When Swift went off injured and Charnock came on, did we reshuffle at all or just pop Dougie on the wing?
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When Swift went off injured and Charnock came on, did we reshuffle at all or just pop Dougie on the wing?


Makinson went to the wing and Charnock went to FB
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Makinson went to the wing and Charnock went to FB

Right. How did he look.
I missed some sections of the radio commentry as I was on baby duty.
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Right. How did he look.
I missed some sections of the radio commentry as I was on baby duty.


Did ok, but because Ashe and Hohaia were consistently playing through the middle, we rarely used the FB in attack. We rarely put 3 passes together to get the third pivot in the game.

I would love to see how many carries Charnock made in their 20. I suspect it would be very low.
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Did ok, but because Ashe and Hohaia were consistently playing through the middle, we rarely used the FB in attack. We rarely put 3 passes together to get the third pivot in the game.

I would love to see how many carries Charnock made in their 20. I suspect it would be very low.

Charnock took up the full back role in attack for the Salford game and, as you can imagine on that night, rarely got the ball.
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Charnock took up the full back role in attack for the Salford game and, as you can imagine on that night, rarely got the ball.


Really frustrating and I think it's why Wilkin's suspension is such a blow. People may knock him but he does a job.
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This is where Brown drives me nuts. Makinson has been at fullback for weeks. So why does he end up on the wing and Charnock, who hasn't played at fullback in the first team ever, end up at fullback? Bloody ridiculous.
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This is where Brown drives me nuts. Makinson has been at fullback for weeks. So why does he end up on the wing and Charnock, who hasn't played at fullback in the first team ever, end up at fullback? Bloody ridiculous.

I think that wing spot was marking Dixon, London's potent attacking threat. Perhaps he thought that Makinson, who got extensive experience onthe wing, would do a better job of marking him? From what I understand, Charnock's played a lot of rugby at full back, so would be a reasonably safe bet there, compared to an un familiar wing spot against one of the league's top try scorers. I'm sure he could of handled dixon though.
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