Re: Gaskell : Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:45 pm  

One eyed monster wrote: Yes you did, Makinson did. Who was then given a oppotunity at the weekend and again, despite scoring. Did naff all. Sorry got to take you up on that one. Makinson did Naff all??? I thought he was most improved since his spell out. He really ran the ball in hard just in the style that Ade has been doing. Also unlike Ade he is much more solid and dependable with the ball coming down. I've no doubt Ade will get more games this year, but I thought there was a marked improvement in Makinson's returning of the ball. Also the stats don't bear out your view on Makinson either.. When compared to Meli's stats in the same game Almost the same number of carries Similar average gain Same number of tackles less missed tackles etc as Backrow says Stats are the predator of the common troll, I'd say they are also the predator of the throw away remark. viewtopic.php?f=18&t=546605&tsmp=1363631946 I did think that Makinson was more improved before I saw either this thread or the stats thread. viewtopic.php?f=18&t=546453&tsmp=1363632264&start=40

One eyed monster wrote: Yes you did, Makinson did. Who was then given a oppotunity at the weekend and again, despite scoring. Did naff all. Sorry got to take you up on that one. Makinson did Naff all??? I thought he was most improved since his spell out. He really ran the ball in hard just in the style that Ade has been doing. Also unlike Ade he is much more solid and dependable with the ball coming down. I've no doubt Ade will get more games this year, but I thought there was a marked improvement in Makinson's returning of the ball. Also the stats don't bear out your view on Makinson either.. When compared to Meli's stats in the same game Almost the same number of carries Similar average gain Same number of tackles less missed tackles etc as Backrow says Stats are the predator of the common troll, I'd say they are also the predator of the throw away remark. viewtopic.php?f=18&t=546605&tsmp=1363631946 I did think that Makinson was more improved before I saw either this thread or the stats thread. viewtopic.php?f=18&t=546453&tsmp=1363632264&start=40

Re: Gaskell : Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:57 pm  

Back on Gaskell, it makes sense to play him this week with Hohaia at 9. It'll be interesting to see how he does with a more experienced partner in Wilkin alongside him. If he continues to disappoint when given an opportunity then players like Swift who are waiting for an opportunity could step in.

Re: Gaskell : Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:25 pm  

Blobbynator wrote:

If he continues to disappoint when given an opportunity then players like Swift who are waiting for an opportunity could step in.

According to the Saints Twitter feed, Swift is going to get the chance to play in the next couple of weeks so it looks like Gaskell won't be getting a chance anytime soon anyway.

Re: Gaskell : Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:59 pm  

One eyed monster wrote:

Ive watched both Gaskell and Lomax since they was 14 year olds playing for blackbrook and Orrell respectively. Lomax is something special, someone you need to find a role in the team, unfortunately for him scrum half is the spot that opened up first. Gaskell on the other hand as done very well to be kept on after his scholarship contract, somebody that as punched above his weight for a few years. He was very good in 11 (which was a nice surprise) but since he as been non existent.

Lomax also probably played every game because he trains 100 percent, his diet is top notch and very rarely goes out on the lash with the lads and if he does you can often find him drinking wate, he is the model professional.. Gaskell, well i wont go there.

I'd love Gaskell be given another go and be world class but unfortunately it isent going to happen, as he quite simply is not and never will be 'class'.

How would you know how lomax train and what Gaskell diets like and if he goes out drinking or not you would have to work for the club

Re: Gaskell : Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:08 pm  

1984saints wrote:

How would you know how lomax train and what Gaskell diets like and if he goes out drinking or not you would have to work for the club

One eyed's dig at a Saints player should really bring a caution from the mods IMO because that is bringing a player's reputation into disrepute.

Re: Gaskell : Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:27 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

However, you have never been a fan of Gaskell and so I expect you to write him off.

That is simply not true, I have always been a fan of gaskell and it's disappointing how he hasn't grabbed his chance. I'm just able to objectively acknowledge that he's done next to nothing when in the first team since 2011.

There's no conspiracy here, if Brown thought we'd be a better team with him in it, he'd get picked.

Re: Gaskell : Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:37 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

There's no conspiracy here, if Brown thought we'd be a better team with him in it, he'd get picked.

That is naive, frankly.

Re: Gaskell : Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:41 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

That is naive, frankly.

Perhaps you're right, I should place less emphasis on what he does on the pitch when picked and place more faith in far fetched internet message board gossip.

Re: Gaskell : Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:49 pm  

He does seem to have really suffered with last year, I don't know if it's permanently damaged his development

Re: Gaskell : Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:55 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

Perhaps you're right, I should place less emphasis on what he does on the pitch when picked and place more faith in far fetched internet message board gossip.

I can tell when I've made a point with you as you always resort to either insults or sarcasm.

Hohaia was brought over here to play at 6. It is very easy to make a young bloke a scapegoat or even just drop him rather than face the challenge of dropping from the position the Kiwi your boss paid a fortune to bring over for four years, even though he really isn't a good 6.

At Saints the senior players are never dropped. Never. Not since Simmons dropped Perry anyway. And we know how that worked out. There is nothing internet message board gossip about that: it's as plain as the nose on your face.