Re: Lomax - what has happened to him? : Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:09 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

I'm easily hooked, by comments which suggest the end for a player after one game being out of the team. AKA the threads about Wellens being out, the thread about Gaskell and Makinson on the same page as this one, the threads in the past about Wheeler not getting anymore chances.

Except, of course, the club has form when it comes to dropping young players, especially Gaskell. So I don't think the question is at all unreasonable.

And while Gardner may offer some go forward in kick returns, some of the tries Makinson has scored Gardner wouldn't have come near to scoring. And Gardner doesn't have half Makinson's pace.

Meli won't be dropped no matter what a load of balls he plays because unfortunately, when it comes to senior players, they get to play regardless of their form, their abilities or their attitude.

Re: Lomax - what has happened to him? : Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:57 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Except, of course, the club has form when it comes to dropping young players, especially Gaskell. So I don't think the question is at all unreasonable.

And while Gardner may offer some go forward in kick returns, some of the tries Makinson has scored Gardner wouldn't have come near to scoring. And Gardner doesn't have half Makinson's pace.

Meli won't be dropped no matter what a load of balls he plays because unfortunately, when it comes to senior players, they get to play regardless of their form, their abilities or their attitude.

Gardner performed better on Saturday than Makinson has done so far this season (and scored a try). No point in Makinson having pace if he never uses it. He never beats the man on the outside, never comes in field looking for work and doesn't provide much go forward from kick returns. Its a toss up between Meli and Makinson for me, Gardner is fairly consistent.

Re: Lomax - what has happened to him? : Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:59 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

And while Gardner may offer some go forward in kick returns, some of the tries Makinson has scored Gardner wouldn't have come near to scoring. And Gardner doesn't have half Makinson's pace.

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You need to look at the whole package, an in form Gardner is a much better option, the only thing against him his age. Makinson is very frustrating, he,s a one trick pony at the moment, i,m expecting better things from him but he doesn,t seem to be able to go up another level.

Re: Lomax - what has happened to him? : Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:02 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

You need to look at the whole package, an in form Gardner is a much better option, the only thing against him his age.

I disagree.

Re: Lomax - what has happened to him? : Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:06 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

I disagree.

Thats because you protect your 2 boys at all costs, something we might agree on.

Re: Lomax - what has happened to him? : Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:23 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

Thats because you protect your 2 boys at all costs, something we might agree on.

That's a childish thing to say.

I disagree with your point on Gardner because I disagree with it. I believe when looking at the whole package it is Makinson who is the 'much better option'. The only advantage Gardner has over Makinson is in his kick returns. In all other respects he is inferior to Makinson.

Re: Lomax - what has happened to him? : Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:10 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

That's a childish thing to say.

I disagree with your point on Gardner because I disagree with it. I believe when looking at the whole package it is Makinson who is the 'much better option'. The only advantage Gardner has over Makinson is in his kick returns. In all other respects he is inferior to Makinson.

Each to their own choice.

However I don't think they are being compared like for like.

Makinson has not had any service. Playing an expansive game Makinson is a finisher with pace to beat people.
Playing a limited game the steady eddy clear you lines approach of Gardner has value.

I want to see Saints play football again and use the backs. Having Gardner on the end of line negates this , he offers no threat in a genuine attacking sense.

Think there is a place for Gardner at right second row. Tackles well is big enough and could still do his trademark scoots or first man plunges in exit sets.

Re: Lomax - what has happened to him? : Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:06 pm  

Meli and Gardner provide better go forward than Makinson, but have less pace. I think Meli's guaranteed his place, (don't know why or particularly agree with it but I think that's the way it is), leaving it a choice between Makinson and Gardner for the right wing spot.

Re: Lomax - what has happened to him? : Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:03 am  

Gerry Mander wrote:

Think there is a place for Gardner at right second row. Tackles well is big enough and could still do his trademark scoots or first man plunges in exit sets.

And drop him for who, exactly? Or, are you not being serious?

I think we are best off sticking with Soliola, personally.

Re: Lomax - what has happened to him? : Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:05 am  

For the record, I think I prefer Gardner over Makinson atm. Don't see the big fuss over Makinson currently, he's as error prone as Meli IMO.