Re: Chris Hill ???? : Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:35 pm  

St pete wrote:

I doubt we was ever in for him. We will just promote soone young prop and brain wash the fans we are going with youth.

Have you had a bad week Pete?

I'd like to see Jordan Hand given a chance at some point given the rave reviews he has had in the u20s and that he has already been given a first team shirt.

Re: Chris Hill ???? : Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:44 pm  

St pete wrote:

I doubt we was ever in for him. We will just promote soone young prop and brain wash the fans we are going with youth.

I've no idea if we where in for him or not, there was alot of clamour from the fans for him, but fans are very fickle. There was a lot of clamour that we must keep Roby and TP this year, but then we moan because we can't get waterhouse (never mind that there are quota rules) and that we overpay the current set of players. But we still do it on the cheap.

As fans we argue it all ways. We have promoted no young props since Clough and it was hardly an overnight swap. Oh yeh and there is Graham too another waste of space youth promotion and Roby and Moore and Wellens. All these players just dropped in overnight to replace talent we could have bought in.

Never mind that Lomax and Gaskell are playing because can't play won't play are out.
Makinson for Gardner
Dixon, Ashurst and Megniss have been covering Flannery, Perry, LMS and TP during their injuries.

Sometimes it really frustrates me that fans seam to think we have a right to have 1 -30 world class replacements ready. Put out or first 17 and there is Wheeler who would have been promoted from the youth team this year. Hardly a flood of youngster filling up the team.

The big impact for us has been can't play won't play along, meaning yes shock horror we did not have 2 ready world class halfbacks sitting in the squad to jump in and replace them.

Or maybe you mean foster should not be in the team.

Re: Chris Hill ???? : Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:48 pm  

Good post bewareshadows.

You were getting all passionate for a minute there!

Re: Chris Hill ???? : Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:50 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Have you had a bad week Pete?

I'd like to see Jordan Hand given a chance at some point given the rave reviews he has had in the u20s and that he has already been given a first team shirt.

No I've had a pretty good week

Im just pi$$ed off with all this youth crap the spin doctors at saints are coming out with. I'd rather them just say, we are skint from building the stadium and doing it on the cheap with the squad.

When sir mac goes public that we will have a team to grace the new stadium I'd have expected us to make a pretty big splash in the transfer Market. I was under the impression are lack of recruitment was to save cap space for the first season in the stadium when big names would arrive.

So far we've let the best young product we've produced for years in Kyle eastmond leave for union, we've let our captain and best player in Graham go the Nrl. We've replaced eastmond with a fullback and Graham with a backrow. It just dont make sense.

I think we will be in big trouble next year and when the novelty of the new stadium wears off and we are fighting for the top eight the new stadium will be empty.

Whoever oversees our recruitment wants shooting! We lack fire power all over the field. What club goes years with one centre at the club?

Next year we need a fullback, winger, centre, halfback and two props.

Re: Chris Hill ???? : Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:01 pm  

St pete wrote:

When sir mac goes public that we will have a team to grace the new stadium I'd have expected us to make a pretty big splash in the transfer Market. I was under the impression are lack of recruitment was to save cap space for the first season in the stadium when big names would arrive.

While I can understand your frustration, it's worth remembering that the 'tapping up' deadline means that any domestic signings we make aren't likely to be announced until September. Just because it's all quiet for a couple of months doesn't necessarily mean nothing is happening. Whether there are any good domestic players available is another issue, mind.

Re: Chris Hill ???? : Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:11 pm  

Dux wrote:

While I can understand your frustration, it's worth remembering that the 'tapping up' deadline means that any domestic signings we make aren't likely to be announced until September. Just because it's all quiet for a couple of months doesn't mean nothing is happening. Whether there are any good domestic players available is another issue, mind.

From the list of players off contract listed on here a while back the ain't any worth going for. Mason and griffin would have been ok signings seeing as we will lack props next year.

Unless we pay for anyone ( will never happen ) then our signings for next year are done. IMO our squad for 2012 is done and that's the team to grace our new stadium.

However, I was told a month or so ago by a saints player that we are in the Market for outside back and a prop but can't see it.

Re: Chris Hill ???? : Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:14 pm  

St pete wrote:

When sir mac goes public that we will have a team to grace the new stadium I'd have expected us to make a pretty big splash in the transfer Market.

I would suggest that your disappointment then is more to do with your own expectations rather than with Saints. They have signed up two big name foreign players. You might not like them or indeed think they are what we need; but both Laffranchi and Hohaia are good players in the NRL. They are well known names with proven ability. So there are your 'big splashes'. Did you want Thurston or Lockyer or Slater? If so, you were always going to be disappointed!

So far we've let the best young product we've produced for years in Kyle eastmond leave for union, we've let our captain and best player in Graham go the Nrl.

There has been no 'letting' about it. What do you expect clubs to do? Chain players at the end of their contracts to the pitchside? Both are free agents for next season. Kyle had already once hinted at a union move and Saints clearly worked hard to keep him a further season. In the end though he decided union was what he wanted. Saints had no option there. They can't create an international game that is competitive and attracts 90,000 speccies, which is what he said he wanted! Jammer was offered the best deal the club has ever offered any player, but he wanted to go to the NRL and there is no stopping him (goodluck to him with all that seems to be happening at the Doggies at present!). So Saints did NOT let them go. They chose not to stay. Roby and TP chose TO stay, and they areboth mighty fine players who I think reflect the standard the club wants all the players to aspire to.

We've replaced eastmond with a fullback

If you are talking about Hohaia, he was a stand off throughout his career until his club told him to play at fullback two years ago. If you are meaning Lomax, he was a stand off in the u20s who played at centre, briefly fullback and now plays at 7. And has done a fine job of it for a 21 year old.

Next year we need a fullback, winger, centre, halfback and two props.

Now you're just being silly.

Re: Chris Hill ???? : Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:32 pm  

I know all about lance and laffranchi, in fact half the saints fans was asking who he was. I think lance is a good player and will do a job at halfback but he's a runner, he takes the line on and ain't a ball player and we lack a leader who can move us around the field.

Laffranchi is a player I've liked for a long time, he's hard working, good in defence but he's not a prop.

Saintsfan, your just being silly bringing thurston, slater into this because we all know they won't come until they are 30 or older.

Can I point out, I'm talking about our recruitment over the past 5 years when we've lost very important quality players.

Re: Chris Hill ???? : Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:37 pm  

While watching the Warrington game on sky last night, Clarke was talking about why Warrington have the edge this year. He referred to Warrington having better strike players, players with the x factor all over the park which is true, they have go to players all over the park.

Look at out team, we lack "goto" players, we lack strike players and x factor players.

Re: Chris Hill ???? : Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:40 pm  

St pete wrote: From the list of players off contract listed on here a while back the ain't any worth going for. Mason and griffin would have been ok signings seeing as we will lack props next year. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=497140 Doesnt exactly make exhilerating reading, although I think it would be worth signing Ryan Bailey just to see the response on here. I wonder if we're looking at Championship players. SaintsFan wrote: If you are talking about Hohaia, he was a stand off throughout his career until his club told him to play at fullback two years ago. The thing is he's never held down a position in the halves. He considers himself a halfback, but he's never played as one at the top level for any sustained period of time. Before he was a full back at NZ Warriors he was a utility. Signing him as a half back on a four year contract is a major gamble IMO, particularly as he's not noted for having a kicking game. I'm pretty confident that Laffranchi will be a success, though.

St pete wrote: From the list of players off contract listed on here a while back the ain't any worth going for. Mason and griffin would have been ok signings seeing as we will lack props next year. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=497140 Doesnt exactly make exhilerating reading, although I think it would be worth signing Ryan Bailey just to see the response on here. I wonder if we're looking at Championship players. SaintsFan wrote: If you are talking about Hohaia, he was a stand off throughout his career until his club told him to play at fullback two years ago. The thing is he's never held down a position in the halves. He considers himself a halfback, but he's never played as one at the top level for any sustained period of time. Before he was a full back at NZ Warriors he was a utility. Signing him as a half back on a four year contract is a major gamble IMO, particularly as he's not noted for having a kicking game. I'm pretty confident that Laffranchi will be a success, though.