Re: Royce Simmons OUT : Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:23 pm  

St pete wrote:

Like I said on another post, three players have told me that they don't feel confident under Royce and his methods are dated.

Three players told me he was a fantastic coach.

Re: Royce Simmons OUT : Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:24 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

He hasn't chosen a winger on the bench. He has chosen an outside back on the bench and he explained why: it is to cover for injuries and avoid wholesale changes in personnel mid match. It has been a wise move, too. Without Foster on the bench, we would have had to have made changes against Wigan and against the Quins. As it was, because Foster was on the bench, he just slipped in and provided cover.

All good and well having a back on bench but foster got 5 mins agaist wire and ten on friday and makinson got a couple at salford

Re: Royce Simmons OUT : Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:25 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Three players told me he was a fantastic coach.

they said the same about Millward!
Its way too soon to judge him, on that i think we agree, but he hasnt had a great start by any measure

Re: Royce Simmons OUT : Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:28 pm  

Saint Simon wrote:

they said the same about Millward!

Indeed. And he did wonderful things with Saints (as well as some pretty awful things!). Wello's favourite coach was Daniel Anderson. So there.

Its way too soon to judge him, on that i think we agree, but he hasnt had a great start by any measure

No, he hasn't. But he hasn't had a great set of circumstances to start with either. I would love to have seen what he could have done with Leon and Kyle at halfback, all our props in place, our backline fit and Wello not playing on injections.

Re: Royce Simmons OUT : Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:29 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

He hasn't chosen a winger on the bench. He has chosen an outside back on the bench and he explained why: it is to cover for injuries and avoid wholesale changes in personnel mid match. It has been a wise move, too. Without Foster on the bench, we would have had to have made changes against Wigan and against the Quins. As it was, because Foster was on the bench, he just slipped in and provided cover.

Not many teams pick wingers ( outside backs ) anymore if any do. The game has now produced multi skilled players that just slip into many postions.

We have Scott Moore on the bench that can cover the halfback spits, roby can also fill in there as Jon wilkin can.

In our forwards we also have Sia and flannery that can fill the centre spots.

I agree with saint Simon, it's a complete waste of a spot on the bench.

Re: Royce Simmons OUT : Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:32 pm  

St pete wrote:

Not many teams pick wingers ( outside backs ) anymore if any do. The game has now produced multi skilled players that just slip into many postions.

We have Scott Moore on the bench that can cover the halfback spits, roby can also fill in there as Jon wilkin can.

In our forwards we also have Sia and flannery that can fill the centre spots.

I agree with saint Simon, it's a complete waste of a spot on the bench.

Except that Simmons also stated that he wanted to slot players in to cover rather than swapping and changing players around, as per Potter. Jon Wilkin, for one, has come out in favour of that approach as he has been quoted as saying he is enjoying his rugby now that he plays in one position. Scott Moore also said that, stating that he didn't know where he was last season with all the changes he had to cope with. He played at centre once and he said he had never done so before and must be the slowest player in the team so never was that more unlikely a position for him to play.

We had too much instability under Potter. It was possibly a request of the players that they stick to their own spots wherever possible. I think that is fair enough. And like I said, Foster was used because he can cover wing and fullback. Meli shifted into centre, where he has played many times before, when Foster was needed to cover Lomax on Friday.

Re: Royce Simmons OUT : Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:37 pm  

I'm not saying start with these players out of position but if need be they can slot in, that way we can have an extra forward on the bench.

I think it was 80s in the day of only having 2 subs that teams had a outside back on the bench.

Re: Royce Simmons OUT : Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:42 pm  

I'd liked us to have brought a smart coach in, a coach that thinks about the game and get the message across to the players about what he wants from them.

I think it's pretty obvious from looking at Royce that even as a player he wasn't into the sweet science of the sport as he looks like a old style boxer.

Re: Royce Simmons OUT : Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:46 pm  

Trouble is theres not many of them about

Re: Royce Simmons OUT : Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:51 pm  

St pete wrote:

I'd liked us to have brought a smart coach in, a coach that thinks about the game and get the message across to the players about what he wants from them.

I think it's pretty obvious from looking at Royce that even as a player he wasn't into the sweet science of the sport as he looks like a old style boxer.

You say some right daft things sometimes, you do!