Re: Chris Hill ???? : Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:33 am  

Eastmond and Lance I would imagine wage wise maybe a straight swap. But the trut is we don't know. Eastmond was an emerging talent and whilst on a better wage than most youth players whether he was at a level like Long was when he left we just don't know.

Graham was supposedly offered a huge contract, after he has turned that down how much was offered to TP to keep him? Again we don't know. But it's not inconceiveable that what we offered to Graham has been split between TP's top up and Laffranchi. Gardner is not out yet, neither is Leon nor flannery.

I think we'll keep Flannery, we should know soon about Leon as it seams he is looking around given that Saints may have held back on an offer to see if he is fit. Gardner will depend upon how makinson goes?


So at present it's 2 in 2 out a straight swap. I agree maybe we should have signed Hill or some other prop, but we don't know who Saints are looking at? Roby's contract was also increased this year to stop him going to the NRL.

I think we look back say 5 or 6 years we can say we have lost quality, but 5 or 6 years ago, image right payments were possible and Warrington did not have the backing and the stadium they do now. Warrington have increased their quality by now spending at cap which they did not do, our cap has been reduced as image rights have now been ruled illegal at the rate they where used. in the past

Re: Chris Hill ???? : Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:41 am  

It don't matter what backing Warrington have, they still have a salary cap to stay under. We could have bill gates running saints but still can only spend to the cap.

No matter how you try and dress it up, it's obvious saints are trying to do it on the cheap.

Re: Chris Hill ???? : Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:52 am  

St pete wrote:

It don't matter what backing Warrington have, they still have a salary cap to stay under. We could have bill gates running saints but still can only spend to the cap.

No matter how you try and dress it up, it's obvious saints are trying to do it on the cheap.

Well I shall have to agree to disagree.

Re: Chris Hill ???? : Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:58 am  

St pete wrote:

It looks to be, pryce, Graham, flattery, eastmond and Gardner out and lance and laffranchi in.

So far, Eastmond and Graham are out, Hohaia and Laffranchi in. Two for two. Nobody knows whether Pryce, Flannery or Gardner will be in the team next season. All three have, at one stage or another, stated in the press that they wanted to stay with the Saints. Saints have stated that so far as Pryce is concerned they are waiting for him to get back playing before undergoing negotiations. I think that is extremely wise given that he has been out of action now for a season and a half. Simmons has suggested that Gardner has a chance of a new contract - or did have, before his injury. No word at all on Flannery. In other words, we have no idea what the situation is with regard to ins or outs for next season and so you have no idea whether Saints are doing anything 'on the cheap' or have been beaten in the bidding by Wire or have got people in talks with other people. We have no clue and so why you are assuming the worst I don't know.

Re: Chris Hill ???? : Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:05 pm  

I was surprised to hear this news yesterday. I was certainly under the impression that Hill was very much nailed on for you guy's.

Re: Chris Hill ???? : Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:10 pm  

LovesToSpooge wrote:

I was surprised to hear this news yesterday. I was certainly under the impression that Hill was very much nailed on for you guy's.

Well, you knew more than us! It was just a fans' rumour. Nothing has been said by the club at all.

Re: Chris Hill ???? : Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:15 pm  

Man for man

1 Brett Hodgson
Paul Wellens (I reckon these 2 are on comparable money especially with the discount for Wellens)
2 Chris Riley
Gardner (Genuinly no idea who would be on more)
3 Matt King
Shenton (Surely king on more but shenton will not be on peanuts)
4 Chris Bridge
Soliola (Soliola on more)
5 Joel Monaghan
Meli (don't know as Joel was desperate for a move at the time)
6 Lee Briers
Pryce (I'dsay pryce, but Briers will have the discount for the club)
7 Richard Myler
Eastmond (about equal i'd say)
8 Adrian Morley
Perry (not sure but perry would not be cheap)
9 Michael Monaghan
Roby (I think Roby would be on more given the new deal)
10 Garreth Carvell
Graham (Graham on more by far)
11 Louis Anderson
Puletua (TP on more than Anderson)
12 Ben Westwood
Wilkin (not sure, but Wilkin will have a fair chunk)
13 Ben Harrison
Flannery (no idea who would be on more)
14 Mick Higham
Scott Moore ( I imagine higham will be on more, but who knows)
15 Jon Clarke
LMS (probably LMS on more)
16 Paul Wood
CLough (wood I would imagine gets more)
17 Simon Grix
Wheeler (grix maybe?)


Our squad goes to 29, on this site, Warrington only 27.

So when you look at the first 17 of each club I fail to see where we are going cheap. When you look at the rest of the squads, there are mostly youth players apart from Warrington having solimona at 26.

To put it simply though our first 17 are not playing for any length of time as a team. Gardner out for long period this year, as have been or are Pryce, Eastmond, Perry, Flannery, Moore, Clough, Wheeler.

Re: Chris Hill ???? : Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:16 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Well, you knew more than us! It was just a fans' rumour. Nothing has been said by the club at all.

Well you were the only club linked to him, and strongly at that. But evidently not strongly enough.

Are you disappointed that you missed out on him?

Re: Chris Hill ???? : Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:26 pm  

LovesToSpooge wrote:

Well you were the only club linked to him, and strongly at that. But evidently not strongly enough.

Who by though? Sky? The BBC? The Warrington Guardian?

Are you disappointed that you missed out on him?

Personally, I don't have feelings about it either way. We do need another prop and he is a prop. But Saints may have someone else in the pipeline or they may not. Who knows?

Re: Chris Hill ???? : Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:27 pm  

LovesToSpooge wrote:

Well you were the only club linked to him, and strongly at that. But evidently not strongly enough.

Are you disappointed that you missed out on him?

I doubt we was ever in for him. We will just promote soone young prop and brain wash the fans we are going with youth.