[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Gaz O'Brien : Fri May 31, 2013 11:54 am  

Offside Monkey wrote:

Okay

The benefits for Warrington would be that a player of theirs is veiwed as having potential. Since they have his position in the first team filled, he's not getting to play (due to them being strong in that area), but perhaps they deem him playing in the u19s or championship as too easy for him. They want him to step up in order to develop, but at the same time don't want to reshuffle thier team when they're going quite well. Whilst he can't get in their team right now, they may see him as a viable solution for the future, once Hodgeson and Briers have retired, so want to develop himas best they can for that time.
I don't think there's another club in the league that has such impressive depth in the pivot positions.

So that's points 1-3. As for point 4, assuming they don't suffer any injures and that they specify he can't play against Wire, why would they call him back? if he's playing well, then he'll imrpove and be a better player for them in the future.

i think the idea long term, will probably be ratch at 1, gob at 6, and myler at 7, thats how its seemed or at least the impression we were given last year when we signed ratch.

GOB is a pretty good kid, in the opportunities he's had in our first team, he's been pretty impressive, he was a good foil for briers last year, doing the chasing onto kicks and things, but he does need a stint as 'the guy' running a team, its been said he's not as vocal as he could be, so thats part of his development he's working on.

Whats the rest of your team like, in terms of strong characters? anyone that you would expect to ignore a younger, newer voice?

Re: Gaz O'Brien : Fri May 31, 2013 1:19 pm  

A month gives us time to bring Roby and Lomax back, we know recruitment in the halves has been poor, the signing of Hohaia hasn't worked and probably won't. Have we been hamstrung by finances whilst the stadium was being built? Possibly, we seem to have lost a lot of money in the period at Widnes, it'll be interesting to see what happens going forward now that situation has finished.

Re: Gaz O'Brien : Fri May 31, 2013 1:31 pm  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

i think the idea long term, will probably be ratch at 1, gob at 6, and myler at 7, thats how its seemed or at least the impression we were given last year when we signed ratch.

GOB is a pretty good kid, in the opportunities he's had in our first team, he's been pretty impressive, he was a good foil for briers last year, doing the chasing onto kicks and things, but he does need a stint as 'the guy' running a team, its been said he's not as vocal as he could be, so thats part of his development he's working on.

Whats the rest of your team like, in terms of strong characters? anyone that you would expect to ignore a younger, newer voice?

To be honest, one of the things we lack is vocal leaders. There's people like Robes & Sia who lead by example, but since Graham left, there's no one barking at the troops.

Wellens, I guess, can be vocal, but he look's more like a bit of a whinger; waving his arms at the ref.

Re: Gaz O'Brien : Fri May 31, 2013 1:35 pm  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

its been said he's not as vocal as he could be,

Should fit in well at Saints then. Nobody is vocal.

Re: Gaz O'Brien : Fri May 31, 2013 2:05 pm  

jaybs wrote:

I see it as a very strange decision personally, what message does it send out to younger players in any of the clubs junior sides Under 16's & Academy? I agree very much with what Harry Pinner says!

It says we dont intend on players who arnt ready in the first team. You think many 16 year olds could play at scrum half in the first team for half a season? Scott Moore was the last of that age to get first team Rugby iirc but he was a bit of a freak physically.

Re: Gaz O'Brien : Fri May 31, 2013 2:06 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Don't forget that the guy is only 21 and has had less experience at first team level than Gaskell and probably Wheeler in the halfback role given his injury record! We've not loaned a fully fledged halfback here. He is going to need help and support from our senior players. I would imagine that Brown will be asking the minimum from him and he's going to be under pressure to perform given our league standing and inability to win matches.

I'm feeling sorry for the guy really!

That dead horse you constantly flog HAS GONE TO SALFORD FOREVER !!! get over it .

Re: Gaz O'Brien : Fri May 31, 2013 2:12 pm  

Offside Monkey wrote:

To be honest, one of the things we lack is vocal leaders. There's people like Robes & Sia who lead by example, but since Graham left, there's no one barking at the troops.

Wellens, I guess, can be vocal, but he look's more like a bit of a whinger; waving his arms at the ref.

Wello annoys the hell out of me when he does his windmill impression and starts moaning at the ref , it's not being a role model, it's not achieving anything positive and it's not leadership


Scrum halves should always be noisy bossy sods ala Longy,Goulding and Murphy hopefully Walsh will be

Re: Gaz O'Brien : Fri May 31, 2013 4:16 pm  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

A month gives us time to bring Roby and Lomax back, we know recruitment in the halves has been poor, the signing of Hohaia hasn't worked and probably won't. Have we been hamstrung by finances whilst the stadium was being built? Possibly, we seem to have lost a lot of money in the period at Widnes, it'll be interesting to see what happens going forward now that situation has finished.

Sense is not allowed!

Re: Gaz O'Brien : Fri May 31, 2013 6:05 pm  

No1 Saint wrote:

Scott Moore was the last of that age to get first team Rugby iirc but he was a bit of a freak physically.

And mentally by all accounts...

Re: Gaz O'Brien : Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:09 am  

I don't know much about o'brien or Walsh, but there are mumblings that saints are trying to get o'brien permanently. Could they make a half back combo? Aren't they both 7s? And both similar in having a kicking game? I guess whatever happens will be infinitely better than our current situation and at least give us cover for rhe inevitable injuries.