Re: Unacceptable : Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:11 pm  

Makinson is doing very well at the moment but needs to be more of a threat with ball in hand he doesn,t have the footwork like Lomax to cause defensive uncertainity.
Spare a thought if Makinson gets better would we see the possibility of Lomax re introduced to being a running half back again.

Re: Unacceptable : Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:52 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

Makinson is doing very well at the moment but needs to be more of a threat with ball in hand he doesn,t have the footwork like Lomax to cause defensive uncertainity.
Spare a thought if Makinson gets better would we see the possibility of Lomax re introduced to being a running half back again.

Spot on that mate.

Makinson is a runner, but he doesn't have the footwork required to play in the Full Back position. Ideally, you want your 1 to be a second Stand-Off in the modern game, and although Lomax lacks the authority to control a game from 7, his vision, and his pass selection out the back is first class. Makinson would improve in those areas over time, but as I say, Lomax is an ideal Full Back in the modern game.

Re: Unacceptable : Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:52 am  

Tez the Saint wrote:

Spot on that mate.

Makinson is a runner, but he doesn't have the footwork required to play in the Full Back position. Ideally, you want your 1 to be a second Stand-Off in the modern game, and although Lomax lacks the authority to control a game from 7, his vision, and his pass selection out the back is first class. Makinson would improve in those areas over time, but as I say, Lomax is an ideal Full Back in the modern game.

Makinson has extra pace though. As we know, what you do without the ball is also important. If Makinson can develop his movement when goign behind our 1st phase attackers to join the line, the pace of which he can do it should really disturb the oppo defences and create spce for other players.

Re: Unacceptable : Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:56 am  

Offside Monkey wrote:

Makinson has extra pace though. As we know, what you do without the ball is also important. If Makinson can develop his movement when goign behind our 1st phase attackers to join the line, the pace of which he can do it should really disturb the oppo defences and create spce for other players.

He did that beautifully in the 2011 Grand Final.

Something someone hasn't given any apparent thought to is how he is being coached in his role.

Re: Unacceptable : Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:22 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Something someone hasn't given any apparent thought to is how he is being coached in his role.

Interesting, what do you mean by that? Do you think he is being coached to play the role differently to Lomax?

Whilst it's possible he is being asked not to adopt a ball playing role, I think it's it's more likely that his skill set doesn't allow him to do it as well as Lomax.

That's not a criticism BTW as I think Lomax could make a truly brilliant FB and most players would suffer in comparison to him. Makinson does a decent job there, but Lomax he ain't.

Re: Unacceptable : Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:24 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

Interesting, what do you mean by that? Do you think he is being coached to play the role differently to Lomax?

Brown said in interview that Makinson is a different kind of player to Lomax so I would imagine different things are being asked of him, wouldn't you?

Re: Unacceptable : Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:25 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Brown said in interview that Makinson is a different kind of player to Lomax so I would imagine different things are being asked of him, wouldn't you?

As I edited above (too slow!):

Whilst it's possible he is being asked not to adopt a ball playing role, I think it's it's more likely that his skill set doesn't allow him to do it as well as Lomax.

That's not a criticism BTW as I think Lomax could make a truly brilliant FB and most players would suffer in comparison to him. Makinson does a decent job there, but Lomax he ain't as the best FB's offer the ability to chime as an extra half.

Re: Unacceptable : Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:39 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

That's not a criticism BTW as I think Lomax could make a truly brilliant FB and most players would suffer in comparison to him. Makinson does a decent job there, but Lomax he ain't as the best FB's offer the ability to chime as an extra half.

So far as I'm aware, Makinson has never played in the halves so that role would be alien to him I should think. I think he spent his junior days playing mainly at centre but also at fullback.

He can chime in with the line though. I've seen him do it. But had he learned to play in the halves then maybe he would have adapted more readily to the modern fullback role.

However, I think people are too harsh on him. He is being compared to someone he is not at a time when we need him to be confident over a long period of time in what he can do well.

Re: Unacceptable : Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:10 pm  

Makinson is a good player and does ok at full back, for me the main issue is twice last week he opted to throw a poor attempt at a cut out pass straight to the winger rather than a short ball to the centre which bombed 2 tries for us. That aside he is pretty solid and I have no issue with him playing there (although as soon as Lomax is back he will surely play at 1)

Makinson to the halves is a joke and anybody who thinks putting him there is a good move is surely a few sandwiches short of a picnic. As mentioned above, he doesnt seem to have the ability to pass a ball very well (a fundamental for a half back) and pace alone isnt just what we need to inject into the halves.

Re: Unacceptable : Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:53 pm  

I think this is a big discussion with very little disagreement.

Makinson > Wellens
Lomax > Makinson.

There is no harm in saying there is a better player waiting in the wings. It does not do anything to down grade Makinson at all. In fact because Makinson can cover FB competantly, I would say that's great as we don't have to buy in a FB to cover any loss of Lomax in the future.

People may bemon the fact that Lomax was not playing as from what we have seen his impact could have changed the game. I think when people have scored the players they would not be rating Makinson as a failure, they just wish we had Lomax as it could have turned the game in our favour, as could have TP or Manu.

The players who got a real keyboard bashing of the fans were LMS and Howarth. I was not there, but from the Stats that seamed to be pretty fair.

An unfair bashing would be someone like Meli who gets it in the neck whether he has a good game an average game or a terrible game, as people hold his past disasters over him, even if he is close to being MOM.