Re: Unacceptable bias : Thu May 05, 2011 4:51 pm  

Offside Monkey wrote:

I don't know, I need someone with real authority to clarify it for, as its drving me crazy. I agree with you that in the spirit of the game the decison given on monday was correct and that the above situation would be farcical, but I just can't shake the fact I think the smallprint of the rules says otherwise.

Maybe it's that I don't read so well, but the written rule on the previous page didn't clarify it either way.

I got the info for Rogues from a mate of mine who refs at all levels (Not SL yet but he has run the line and done in goal touch judge etc at SL Games) as I like nearly everyone else thought it would be Saints Head and Feed.

He says as you have alluded to that if the player is in touch when he touches the ball then it is deemed that the ball has touched something "Dead" and that it is Head and Feed to the Defending team.
The same rule however does not apply in the "In Goal" area and if the ball is rolling in the field of play and the Defender touches it whilst he has a part of his body dead i.e Foot/Hand then he is deemed to have made it dead and it's a drop out.

Apparently they changed the in goal rule because of players straddling the dead ball line and touching the ball in the in goal to make it dead, they didn't change the touchline rule.

I agree with your sentiments about the "Spirit" of it but apparently thems the rules.
To be honest though I'm not sure how a defending team can benefit in many ways from this rule though and the scenario seems highly unlikely?
Although I suppose when a ball is bouncing towards the touch line and there is an attacker bearing down, rather than shepherd the ball out of play and risk the attacker getting it or touching it whilst in the field of play giving head and feed to the attacking team he could stand out the field of play and straddle the line and touch it? This would give head and feed to his/defending team.

Re: Unacceptable bias : Thu May 05, 2011 5:20 pm  

Cheers JS they might believe me now.

I actually think it's quite simple. Which team was the last to touch the ball in the field of play?

Re: Unacceptable bias : Thu May 05, 2011 5:25 pm  

Sthelens RLFC wrote:

Swings and roundabouts eh? Wigan's american football impressions on Good Friday "probably" cost us the game as well.

I see Rogues has failed to acknowledge this post.

Let it go, it's done now.

Re: Unacceptable bias : Thu May 05, 2011 5:58 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

If he was stood on the line and a Hull player passed it to him, then it would be head and feed to Saints, as it was the Hull player who passed the ball who would have been deemed to have put the ball into touch as Whiting is out of play and is part of the touchline. It doesn't matter if it's an inch or a yard.

If he touches/catches a ball whilst out of the field of play from an opposing player then it's head and feed to his side (Hull in this case).

So suppose the ball has been passed by a Hull player to the touchline and ends up resting on the floor. In attempting to get the ball a Saints player slides, misses the ball and ends up straddling the touchline with half his body over the line and half in play. Whilst straddling the touchline he grasps the ball. So what you're saying then is that the head and feed should go to Saints and not Hull. That's just ludicrous.

Similarly consider the same infraction behind Hull's goal line. A Hull player plays the ball backwards and it rests in the in goal area. With a Saints player straddling the dead ball lines would that be a scrum to Saints (or drop out against Hull) or would the Saints player be considered to have made the ball dead? I think the latter so why would you not consider it to be the same anywhere else on the field?

With regards to this ruling over the dead ball line didn't they change that a couple of years ago to stop this kind of questioning? I was pretty sure that if you caught the ball or picked the ball up and your foot was on the dead ball line you were deemed to have carried the ball over the line. Isn't that why they were questioning Briscoe collecting the ball behind the try line on Monday? Hadn't he placed a foot on the touchline when collecting the ball so they were saying it should have been a drop out? What's the difference?

Re: Unacceptable bias : Thu May 05, 2011 6:25 pm  

The rules for dead ball line and touchline are different as Jukesays explained above. You can still catch the ball on the full with your foot outside the dead ball line from a kick off and get the penalty. What you can't do is stand with a foot over the deadball line and drag the ball over the dead ball line from an open field kick.

I'll have to read your first two queries later, but the second one is a virtual impossibility unless I have misread the situation.
How can the Hull player play the ball backwards 5 or more metres and how could a Saints player get over the dead ball line in that time?

As I said previously, who was the last player infield to play the ball? The other team will then get head and feed except for the 40:20 or the dead ball rule as above.

Re: Unacceptable bias : Thu May 05, 2011 6:32 pm  

Blobbynator wrote:

I see Rogues has failed to acknowledge this post.

Let it go, it's done now.

Re: Unacceptable bias : Fri May 06, 2011 12:33 pm  

Blobbynator wrote:

I see Rogues has failed to acknowledge this post.

Let it go, it's done now.

lets not get into the inprobably hypothetical situations and argue about who is correct.

Back to the issue - never a penalty and Ganson is a cheat, should nevere be allowed to ref a Stains game

Re: Unacceptable bias : Fri May 06, 2011 12:35 pm  

nikos wrote:

lets not get into the inprobably hypothetical situations and argue about who is correct.

Back to the issue - never a penalty and Ganson is a cheat, should nevere be allowed to ref a Stains game

A pathetic trolling attempt. At least it proves your a creature of habbit.

Re: Unacceptable bias : Fri May 06, 2011 12:40 pm  

nikos wrote:

Back to the issue - never a penalty and Ganson is a cheat, should nevere be allowed to ref a Stains game

That's not the issue - the issue, if you bother to read the last few pages, was over a scrum and who's head and feed it was.

A decision more than likely given by the TJ.

Try and keep up.

Re: Unacceptable bias : Fri May 06, 2011 1:08 pm  

phil clarke has always been bias against the teams that are a threat to wigan but at the end of the day he wigan through and through just like jamie redknap is for liverpool its how it is and theyve gotta either change it or we'll have to get used to it