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Re: 19 man squad v Wigan : Sat Sep 19, 2015 9:34 pm  
I don't know why this thread has turned into a discussion about the merits of full backs throughout the ages, but defence wasn't a problem last night.

Indeed our backs did very well against a quality side.
It was our domination by the goon pack that concerned me; it will make an interesting reading looking at the official match stats when it comes to metres made.

Let's face it we hung on heroically and we took most of our few chances.

Fantastic to beat the goons and great to see the ape's reaction but lets not kid ourselves eh?
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Re: 19 man squad v Wigan : Sun Sep 20, 2015 3:01 am  
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Muggers, there was plenty of players over 6"1 when Hughes was in charge.

Players were just as big when Prescott was playing. That Bulls side of 97 was huge including their wingers.


Yeah, sure - the Bulls were a big side. But let's not forget that a lot of their success was based on everyone else being nowhere near as big and physical.

Wingers topping out over 6'3 was a rarity in that league. There are countless in SL today. We even have a guy playing at 6'7 (Mantellato).

I remember when John Harrison - a second row and sum-time prop - was considered a freak of nature at that height.

Look at the size of our pack. How many of our forwards are 6'3? Greenwood, LMS, Walmsley, probably Vea.

I'm not sure why I'm arguing this point because ANYONE involved in junior development will know kids are handled far better these days. They eat better. They train better. They train smarter. All this has a knock-on effect in terms of size.

I taught two kids in Wigan (both of whom were on Saints books four or five years ago). At age 13 Saints had already given them an advanced training plan. By year 10 they were bloody enormous. I remember speaking to Ian Lucas & Mark Welsby (both ex-Wigan players) who both said they'd struggle to compete physically against the kids in their cohort.

When I was a kid I thought no-one could get bigger than Mal Meninga. Today Meninga wouldn't rank as big in some teams.
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Re: 19 man squad v Wigan : Sun Sep 20, 2015 9:41 am  
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Yeah, sure - the Bulls were a big side. But let's not forget that a lot of their success was based on everyone else being nowhere near as big and physical.

Wingers topping out over 6'3 was a rarity in that league. There are countless in SL today. We even have a guy playing at 6'7 (Mantellato).

I remember when John Harrison - a second row and sum-time prop - was considered a freak of nature at that height.

Look at the size of our pack. How many of our forwards are 6'3? Greenwood, LMS, Walmsley, probably Vea.

I'm not sure why I'm arguing this point because ANYONE involved in junior development will know kids are handled far better these days. They eat better. They train better. They train smarter. All this has a knock-on effect in terms of size.

I taught two kids in Wigan (both of whom were on Saints books four or five years ago). At age 13 Saints had already given them an advanced training plan. By year 10 they were bloody enormous. I remember speaking to Ian Lucas & Mark Welsby (both ex-Wigan players) who both said they'd struggle to compete physically against the kids in their cohort.

When I was a kid I thought no-one could get bigger than Mal Meninga. Today Meninga wouldn't rank as big in some teams.


Depends how far you go back mate. When it was a part time profession there wasn't as many 'conditioned' big lads so I would agree with your point. However I'd say post 96, the players quickly got much bigger. Bradford certainly set a benchmark for size in 97 though. Didn't stop us grinding them down in the challenge cup final in the rain though :D
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Re: 19 man squad v Wigan : Sun Sep 20, 2015 10:41 am  
Speaking of Prescott. I'll never forget this moment, this tackle from the 1996 game against Cas. If they score this, we don't win the title. Watch from 12:20, incredible tackle!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAtlHBnCkiY
Speaking of Prescott. I'll never forget this moment, this tackle from the 1996 game against Cas. If they score this, we don't win the title. Watch from 12:20, incredible tackle!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAtlHBnCkiY
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Re: 19 man squad v Wigan : Sun Sep 20, 2015 12:26 pm  
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Speaking of Prescott. I'll never forget this moment, this tackle from the 1996 game against Cas. If they score this, we don't win the title. Watch from 12:20, incredible tackle!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAtlHBnCkiY


Hell of a tackle that. Thanks for sharing!
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Speaking of Prescott. I'll never forget this moment, this tackle from the 1996 game against Cas. If they score this, we don't win the title. Watch from 12:20, incredible tackle!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAtlHBnCkiY


Hell of a tackle that. Thanks for sharing!
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Re: 19 man squad v Wigan : Sun Sep 20, 2015 4:09 pm  
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I think this should put it to bed, on everything said above. Its the 1996 super league game at Wilderspool between Warrinton and Saints 1996. Enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZL3BSl200A



Good stuff that.
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I think this should put it to bed, on everything said above. Its the 1996 super league game at Wilderspool between Warrinton and Saints 1996. Enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZL3BSl200A



Good stuff that.
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Re: 19 man squad v Wigan : Sun Sep 20, 2015 11:33 pm  
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I think this should put it to bed, on everything said above. Its the 1996 super league game at Wilderspool between Warrinton and Saints 1996. Enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZL3BSl200A


My God, that team !

Hunte, Perellini, Matautia, Goulding, Newlove, Prescott, Cunningham, Joynt and Martyn. But also Hammond and McVey !

Talk about an embarrassment of riches.
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I think this should put it to bed, on everything said above. Its the 1996 super league game at Wilderspool between Warrinton and Saints 1996. Enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZL3BSl200A


My God, that team !

Hunte, Perellini, Matautia, Goulding, Newlove, Prescott, Cunningham, Joynt and Martyn. But also Hammond and McVey !

Talk about an embarrassment of riches.
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