Re: Unacceptable : Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:14 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Jeez, you really have it in for Makinson don't you?

Here are some stats for you. They're only stats, obviously, but they are the only facts we have to hand.

Stats for Lomax in the Warrington game:

Tries - 0
Assists - 2
Tackles - 5
Marker Tackles - 0
Missed Tackles - 0
Busts - 2
Carries - 17
Metres - 104
Average Gain - 6.1
Breaks - 0
Errors - 0
Offloads - 1
Penalties - 0

Stats for Makinson in the Dragons game:

Tries - 0
Assists - 0
Tackles - 4
Marker Tackles - 0
Missed Tackles - 0
Busts - 3
Carries - 19
Metres - 151
Average Gain - 8
Breaks - 1
Errors - 1
Offloads - 0
Penalties - 0

In the game against Wigan, which I think was his first complete game at fullback this season, Makinson made 142 metres, scored a try, made 7 tackles and one assist (although he did miss 3 tackles and made one error).

So is Lomax really our only class fullback?

No I don't have it in for Makinson, I just think his position is wing ( or maybe Centre but I haven't seen him play there ) Not fullback.

Also, just picking one game and producing stats proves nothing. Makinson is an able young player who I actually like, Just not at fullback.

Re: Unacceptable : Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:39 pm  

Top Saint wrote:

Also, just picking one game and producing stats proves nothing.

I did refer to another game. I actually compared his and Lomax's stats for all the games they have played at fullback this season and there isn't much to choose between them. I was extremely bored yesterday.

Re: Unacceptable : Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:13 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

I did refer to another game. I actually compared his and Lomax's stats for all the games they have played at fullback this season and there isn't much to choose between them. I was extremely bored yesterday.

Stats arnt everything. Lomax looks a real threat at fullback and could potentially become our Sam Tomkins. Makinson looks for the most part solid and competent (nothing wrong with that). It's great to have options and cover and I really like Makinson but I see his future on the wing mainly or centre where I believe he played prior to the first team.

Re: Unacceptable : Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:14 pm  

The difference between Makinson and Lomax is the genuine threat Lomax has with ball in hand compared to Makinson. Lomax attracts defenders and is able to either evade them or draw them in so the other backs have space. He also arcs his run or runs straight when he receives the ball on the edge which makes defenders hesitant and his pass selection is excellent. The stats don't shown this.

Makinson is a decent player to have in that position but there's no way he's as good as Lomax.

Re: Unacceptable : Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:11 pm  

last Fridays game against Catalan showed both Makinsons strength eg pace to make that excellent break, and also his major weakness at fullback, eg complete inability to draw a man and time a pass. This weakness is very well highlighted in the blown play at the end of the match when Swift fails to take the stupid pass from Makinson. When Makinson receives the ball there are two players outside him and only one Catalan defender. All he needed to do was draw this defender and it was a walk in try for either the centre or winger. The official superleague video below at 3 minutes 28 seconds shows this clear as a bell http://www.superleague.co.uk/sltv?rD7UZYvehQk

last Fridays game against Catalan showed both Makinsons strength eg pace to make that excellent break, and also his major weakness at fullback, eg complete inability to draw a man and time a pass. This weakness is very well highlighted in the blown play at the end of the match when Swift fails to take the stupid pass from Makinson. When Makinson receives the ball there are two players outside him and only one Catalan defender. All he needed to do was draw this defender and it was a walk in try for either the centre or winger. The official superleague video below at 3 minutes 28 seconds shows this clear as a bell http://www.superleague.co.uk/sltv?rD7UZYvehQk

Re: Unacceptable : Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:24 pm  

The Chair Maker wrote:

This weakness is very well highlighted in the blown play at the end of the match when Swift fails to take the stupid pass from Makinson.

That pass reached Swift's hands. So was the pass from Makinson stupid or was it a poor attempt by Swift to catch a ball that was actually in his hands? It could be said that two players, neither of whom are experienced at this level in the positions they are playing, both saw the opportunity and both failed to take it but had both those players been more experienced either Makinson would have done as you suggested, and made a short pass to the centre, or Swift would have been able to take the long pass to exploit the clear gap ahead of him.

Lomax doesn't always get his passes right you know. Quite often he sends in other players to get a right old bashing. He did it when he played in the halves and he has done it while playing at fullback.

I'm getting weary of reading the incessant doing down of Makinson. He has been asked to play at fullback. I am quite sure he is well aware that he is already in the shadow of Lomax. He is still young and still learning the fullback trade at this level and so I think that he should be supported, especially if he is going to be important to us in the next few games.

Re: Unacceptable : Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:22 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

That pass reached Swift's hands. So was the pass from Makinson stupid or was it a poor attempt by Swift to catch a ball that was actually in his hands? It could be said that two players, neither of whom are experienced at this level in the positions they are playing, both saw the opportunity and both failed to take it but had both those players been more experienced either Makinson would have done as you suggested, and made a short pass to the centre, or Swift would have been able to take the long pass to exploit the clear gap ahead of him.

Lomax doesn't always get his passes right you know. Quite often he sends in other players to get a right old bashing. He did it when he played in the halves and he has done it while playing at fullback.

I'm getting weary of reading the incessant doing down of Makinson. He has been asked to play at fullback. I am quite sure he is well aware that he is already in the shadow of Lomax. He is still young and still learning the fullback trade at this level and so I think that he should be supported, especially if he is going to be important to us in the next few games.

The pass wasn't great, a little hard, a little high and a little behind,but it wasn't a guarenteed drop.
I think what t'other poster was more focused on is that when Mak gets the ball, its a 3 on 2 situation, which should be a guarenteed score from a pro team. If Tommy straightens up the play before passing he'd have drawn Pryce and given their winger little chance of defending. What he did was crab accross the field without committing the defender and actually took our space away, removing the advantage even if Swift had taken the ball.

He will improve in that sort of situation, but I would have honestly expected a little better from him and, as other posters state, in Lomax was getting the ball in that situation, its most likely try time.

You straigten up an force Pryce to commit, when you shape to pass, if he knows they're short of men then he may go and you sell the dummy, if he sticks then you pass and your 3/4s have a 2 on 1.

Re: Unacceptable : Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:26 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

I did refer to another game. I actually compared his and Lomax's stats for all the games they have played at fullback this season and there isn't much to choose between them. I was extremely bored yesterday.

Not sure which stats you were looking at but you most definitely missed the tries scored column, and that's the most important one.

Re: Unacceptable : Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:04 pm  

Donkey OTay wrote:

Not sure which stats you were looking at but you most definitely missed the tries scored column, and that's the most important one.

But that column wouldn't have supported her argument therefore it was omitted.

Re: Unacceptable : Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:08 pm  

Donkey OTay wrote:

Not sure which stats you were looking at but you most definitely missed the tries scored column, and that's the most important one.

Is it? So Lomax now has to score a hatrick of tries every match or he will be a lesser fullback?