Re: Season ticket sales : Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:59 am  

This is St Helens we are talking about, where the majority of the town have nothing but apathy for the club (I have no reason why).

id expect our average to be 12-13k in the first season tops, then 10k-11k in the second season when away fans have seen our stadium.

Re: Season ticket sales : Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:07 pm  

Saint77777 wrote:

This is St Helens we are talking about, where the majority of the town have nothing but apathy for the club (I have no reason why).

id expect our average to be 12-13k in the first season tops, then 10k-11k in the second season when away fans have seen our stadium.

I think there is a lot of apathy in the town. But there are also a lot of people who wouldn't go to Knowsley Road because of the facilities.

If we don't see a sizeable increase then we're doing something drastically wrong.

Re: Season ticket sales : Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:40 pm  

I did a count yesterday and got roughly the same numbers as Chris Saint.

North stand tickets sold - 2600 out of a total of 2787.
South stand tickets sold - 1338 out of a total of 1924

3938 allocated tickets sold.

Re: Season ticket sales : Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:43 pm  

Surely your season ticket sales in the first year will be the die hard fans who will buy them no matter what. Especially now the club is back in town.
The figure will increase before the start of next season.
I think you will sell a lot more the 2nd season. A lot of Saints fans will be walk up in the first year and then after liking what they see with the stadium and team will buy a ST for the following year.
I do disagree that your crowds will decrease the 2nd year, I think they'll increase. More ST holders and more walk up. Also when word gets around about the new standium more away fans will turn up the 2nd year.
From the photos the new place looks very good. If it is as good as it looks then crowds will go up on the KR figures and by quite a bit too!

Re: Season ticket sales : Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:01 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

So on best estimates how many season ticket holders are we looking at for next season?

What will our average be?

Tricky to estimate as seating configuration has changed a little, but off the plans at the council

North Allocated 2600/2787
North Unallocated ??/1848

South Allocated 1338/1924
South Unallocated ??/818
South Family Stands ??/834
South Corporate 800?/1426 (seems a lot but based on planned capacity less everything else)
South Boxes 360/360 (according to reports)

West Terracing ??/3800
West Seating ??/62

Wheelchairs ??/121

If we manage to sell 50% of the unkowns that would be 8,800, I'd certainly hope we'd exceed that in the terracing and be pushing 10,000 in time for February but it requires stay aways from KR taking the plunge and committing.

As for averages, at KR we had around 6,000 season tickets and averaged 11,000 in 2009, if we have 9,000 ST's at the new gaff and some increased away support then 13,000 should be easily achievable.

Re: Season ticket sales : Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:16 pm  

If we get 10k season ticket holders then we will average 14k easily. With 6k being our previous ST total. We have to remember that just under 4k of tickets cant be sold as they are in the away end.

We have no idea how many will go at Christmas as pressies for a hubby or wife.

Its feasable that in a few years there will be no abilty to walk up to a Saints match except for away end standing only.

Re: Season ticket sales : Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:33 pm  

To put the numbers into context if you sell out 3 games Then you only need to average 12800. For the rest of the season. Wigan and Warrington will sell out no problems and you would imagine the first game and the widnes game will be close to sell outs. preferably I would take a team with a smaller away following for the first game as Saints alone could sell this one with it being the first. I'd prefer Widnes as a second game to keep the momentum going and with early season optimism from both Saints and widnes fans. Then this too could sell out.

Re: Season ticket sales : Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:20 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

Its feasable that in a few years there will be no abilty to walk up to a Saints match except for away end standing only.

Let's hope so.

Re: Season ticket sales : Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:27 pm  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

Let's hope so.

Yes and no.

I asked Saints the question about future plans for ticket allocations and the club's dream it would seem would be to have an all season ticket holder stadium. However, I didn't get an answer to my follow up question which was what about newbie supporters? As everyone knows, season ticket holders don't always turn up but their seat is treated as if they are always there. Yet if I want to bring along someone new and all the seats are taken by season ticket holders, I would have nowhere to take the new person.

Hopefully there will always be some space for newbies to just turn up.

Re: Season ticket sales : Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:47 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Yes and no.

I asked Saints the question about future plans for ticket allocations and the club's dream it would seem would be to have an all season ticket holder stadium. However, I didn't get an answer to my follow up question which was what about newbie supporters? As everyone knows, season ticket holders don't always turn up but their seat is treated as if they are always there. Yet if I want to bring along someone new and all the seats are taken by season ticket holders, I would have nowhere to take the new person.

Hopefully there will always be some space for newbies to just turn up.

The away end will never fill out for every game. There are also the cup games and away games.

Also lets not forget two of the corners are not filled in so there is room to expand if we did reach maximum numbers. Also people do die so you cant hold onto a season ticket for ever.