Re: Well that was ugly : Sat Apr 02, 2016 8:15 pm  

St pete wrote:

Percy, Vea and swifty was all fit at the Start of the year and played dire rugby. We won't change how we play, we are a one up team with no creativity. Vea is now one of our battle rams too.

That was because we had 2 projects on the go, Owens at Full back and Turner at Stand Off, at last we've got Fages getting the No 6 shirt which means we,ve got a runner to get the ball out wider which was starting to re shape our play in the last 2 games you missed.

Re: Well that was ugly : Sat Apr 02, 2016 8:32 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

That was because we had 2 projects on the go, Owens at Full back and Turner at Stand Off, at last we've got Fages getting the No 6 shirt which means we,ve got a runner to get the ball out wider which was starting to shape in the last 2 games you missed.

Yet last night I'm told was a horror of a performance with the ball. We can't even get the ball to tell outside backs in any space with good ball.

We been crap all year and I can't see how it's going to get better with the way things are.

I watched the widnes game on TV and any half decent team would have put 50 points on them, they was that bad.

Re: Well that was ugly : Sat Apr 02, 2016 8:51 pm  

St pete wrote:

Yet last night I'm told was a horror of a performance with the ball. We can't even get the ball to tell outside backs in any space with good ball.

We been crap all year and I can't see how it's going to get better with the way things are.

I watched the widnes game on TV and any half decent team would have put 50 points on them, they was that bad.

I think you need to check out the highlights in both those games to see 2 decent tries in each game scored with plays out wide. LMS and Greenwood are playing a bit wider as well with the centres.

Re: Well that was ugly : Sat Apr 02, 2016 9:16 pm  

The thing is I'm not even bothered if the club achieves success or not. I just want it to try. If we make five or six signings next season and are ambitious with those, I don't care if we don't match Warrington or Wigan, I'd be glad we tried. A lot of SL is terrible, but there are a few clubs trying not to be and those clubs will take the trophies. I don't see why we can't be one of them.

Re: Well that was ugly : Sat Apr 02, 2016 11:04 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

I think you need to check out the highlights in both those games to see 2 decent tries in each game scored with plays out wide. LMS and Greenwood are playing a bit wider as well with the centres.

Let's not kid ourselves. Our attack v Widnes was largely diabolical. And the entire performance after the first 20-25 mins on Friday was a disgrace.

Re: Well that was ugly : Sun Apr 03, 2016 9:06 am  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

Let's not kid ourselves. Our attack v Widnes was largely diabolical. And the entire performance after the first 20-25 mins on Friday was a disgrace.

On Fridays game, Greenwood, Peyroux, Walsh, Dawson and Thompson picked up injuries in the first half so that toil was going to have its effects in the second half.

Re: Well that was ugly : Sun Apr 03, 2016 9:12 am  

Judder Man wrote:

On Fridays game, Greenwood, Peyroux, Walsh, Dawson and Thompson picked up injuries in the first half so that toil was going to have its effects in the second half.

Oh well. Some people can clearly see our faults and are unhappy with what's going on.

Others make excuses and have their heads in the sand.

Re: Well that was ugly : Sun Apr 03, 2016 9:41 am  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

Oh well. Some people can clearly see our faults and are unhappy with what's going on.

Others make excuses and have their heads in the sand.

Peyroux, Walsh, Dawson and Thompson stayed on the field. Walsh and Peyroux was more or less the walking wounded and Hull attacked that channel in the second half using Pritchard. It was our decision making, discipline and defence that let us down around the 30 min mark.
On 37 mins Wilkin did a no pressure kick on the 3rd tackle, Hull ran it back 30 metres before I think it was Wilkin gave away a daft penalty to Hull let camp near our try line to score going into the break 16 -10 instead of 16-4 that was bad decision making and discipline.
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I didn't expect Walsh to come out in the second half, most of the running play had to come from Fages but Dawson (calf) and Peyroux (hamstring) were struggling. Also in the second half we had for some reason Walmsley flying out of the defensive line on 3 occasions and missing the tackle and making a big hole in our defence each time, I'm not quite sure but I think he got pinged for a penalty on one of them.
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Hull were also winning the energy battle after 60 mins, with 5 or 6 players not playing the Easter Monday game against a team with 4 injured players on the field.

They might be excuses but that was how I saw the game from my "sand pit" perspective, so I'll just leave it at that.

Re: Well that was ugly : Sun Apr 03, 2016 9:47 am  

Judder Man wrote:

Peyroux, Walsh, Dawson and Thompson stayed on the field. Walsh and Peyroux was more or less the walking wounded and Hull attacked that channel in the second half using Pritchard. It was our decision making, discipline and defence that let us down around the 30 min mark.
On 37 mins Wilkin did a no pressure kick on the 3rd tackle, Hull ran it back 30 metres before I think it was Wilkin gave away a daft penalty to Hull let camp near our try line to score going into the break 16 -10 instead of 16-4 that was bad decision making and discipline.
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I didn't expect Walsh to come out in the second half, most of the running play had to come from Fages but Dawson (calf) and Peyroux (hamstring) were struggling. Also in the second half we had for some reason Walmsley flying out of the defensive line on 3 occasions and missing the tackle and making a big hole in our defence each time, I'm not quite sure but I think he got pinged for a penalty on one of them.
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Hull were also winning the energy battle after 60 mins, with 5 or 6 players not playing the Easter Monday game against a team with 4 injured players on the field.

They might be excuses but that was how I saw the game from my "sand pit" perspective, so I'll just leave it at that.

No worries Keiron. Enjoy the rest of the season.

Re: Well that was ugly : Sun Apr 03, 2016 9:47 am  

Judder Man wrote:

On Fridays game, Greenwood, Peyroux, Walsh, Dawson and Thompson picked up injuries in the first half so that toil was going to have its effects in the second half.

Well there's a couple of things to discuss here.

If Walsh was so injured that kicking 1 drop goal from 20m out was beyond his realm of ability at that time, why was he not subbed and one of the plethora of other halfbacks (Wilkin, Burns, Turner) brought in? Poor coaching.

If Peyroux has been playing with his thigh strapped the way he has, is it any wonder after his 3rd straight game he's going to be struggling? Why has their been no rotation at throughout the games? Poor coaching with a lack of faith in the youngsters (despite virtually every other club bringing kids in, the Wales international kid in Grace can't get a game still?)

If Greenwood failed his concussion test, why did KC seem unaware he couldn't bring him back on (as per him talking about bringing Wilkin back to the middle where he was "good")? Why could he not readjust and bring Savelio or Peyroux into the left second row for a stint? Poor coaching, with an ever growing preference to sub by the clock.

Hull themselves had a few issues. Minichello went off before we picked up any problems. Save injuries as an excuse for Brian McDermott. This was all our own doing.