Re: Wigan game : Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:34 pm  

Twentyman wrote:

Pedestrian pace, no urgency to play the ball. Forwards lumbering forward. Walsh offers very little, and delivers very slow passes that give little opportunity for the receiver to attack the line at pace. You can see the difference with Fages who actually offers a threat. The ball never once moved beyond the centres, depriving the wings of a chance.

The defence was awful.

Pedestrian is a good description of the St Helens performance. There didn't seem to be any urgency from your lot. It was far to easy for us to slow you down with no effort to get up and play the ball quickly. You had plenty ball in good positions but seemed to lack the craft and imagination to find a way through, part of that was down to a very good defensive display by us though. If I were a St Helens fan I'd be very unhappy with Walsh particularly for the Smith try. He was far to busy trying to claim an obstruction rather than put in the effort to make a tackle which he probably could have got too. Your only player who seemed up for it was LMS.

Re: Wigan game : Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:58 pm  

Trainman wrote:

Pedestrian is a good description of the St Helens performance. There didn't seem to be any urgency from your lot. It was far to easy for us to slow you down with no effort to get up and play the ball quickly. You had plenty ball in good positions but seemed to lack the craft and imagination to find a way through, part of that was down to a very good defensive display by us though. If I were a St Helens fan I'd be very unhappy with Walsh particularly for the Smith try. He was far to busy trying to claim an obstruction rather than put in the effort to make a tackle which he probably could have got too. Your only player who seemed up for it was LMS.

Totally agree.

Walsh's effort for Smith's try was a disgrace. We really are carrying him. It's like having 12 men in defence. Have a look at Walsh's attempt to tackle Tompkins , it lacked effort. He bottled both them tackles. With the ball he's frightened stiff of getting tackled. We need to drop him and have Walsh and Fages in the halves. I'm actually excited by Fages, he actually looks like a Saints player. I would build our team around him.

Re: Wigan game : Fri Mar 25, 2016 7:13 pm  

It's difficult to encapsulate everything wrong with that performance in a single post. Strangely enough, the first 10-15 minutes were quite encouraging. We mixed it and with Fages taking the ball to the line we looked capable of producing opportunities.

But as soon as Wigan started to get some good possession from our penalties and errors our defensive frailties became very clear. Watching our left edge defence I thought I'd taken a wrong turn and ended up at the circus. Between them Walsh, Dawson and Owens created an overlap for Wigan every time the ball went that way. Abysmal.

What was just as disappointing, though, was that as soon as that started happening our forwards seemed to decide they weren't interested anymore.

That's before we even get on to the attack. A classic moment that summed it up was when Wilkin stepped somebody and got into clear space ... then stopped and looked around for a defender to run at.

I'm still amazed at the score - how we played that badly and got away with a respectable scoreline is beyond me. It's a good job we were playing Wigan 2016 and not Wigan 2013.

Re: Wigan game : Fri Mar 25, 2016 7:21 pm  

Wigan played the basics and saints could not deal with it. thats was an absolute disgrace . The players,coach and the club as a whole should issue an apology for that. I was embarrassed to be wearing my red vee and I never said that in my life . Utter rubbish .

Re: Wigan game : Fri Mar 25, 2016 7:33 pm  

Dux wrote:

I'm still amazed at the score - how we played that badly and got away with a respectable scoreline is beyond me. It's a good job we were playing Wigan 2016 and not Wigan 2013.

Said the same to my missus. Should have been a 40+ defeat that. They broke through our line so many times. Amor takes that pass near the end and it's a 6 point margin. I don't think Wane will be happy with that.

Re: Wigan game : Fri Mar 25, 2016 7:35 pm  

Darksideofthemoon wrote:

Wigan played the basics and saints could not deal with it. thats was an absolute disgrace . The players,coach and the club as a whole should issue an apology for that. I was embarrassed to be wearing my red vee and I never said that in my life . Utter rubbish .

Wigan changed the game plan after 20 mins, with Burns playing at 9 they seemed to fancy playing up the middle, when Roby came on they decided to play more out on the edges realising in the process there were a couple of turnstiles in Dawson and Owen.
I see KC is on another planet with his post match comment, when is he going to realise that playing OK for 20 mins in an 80 mins game is as much use as a chocolate teapot.

Re: Wigan game : Fri Mar 25, 2016 7:43 pm  

I thought we'd get beat today but I didn't account by for how inept Saints would be. That was pretty woeful and it was a good job Hicks put in one of the most one eyed halves of reffing I've seen in that second half or it could have got out of hand. We did what we've done all year, defended for our lives and scrapped enough points in attack.

Re: Wigan game : Fri Mar 25, 2016 7:50 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

I thought we'd get beat today but I didn't account by for how inept Saints would be. That was pretty woeful and it was a good job Hicks put in one of the most one eyed halves of reffing I've seen in that second half or it could have got out of hand. We did what we've done all year, defended for our lives and scrapped enough points in attack.

We also did what we've done all year.

Re: Wigan game : Fri Mar 25, 2016 7:56 pm  

I'm not convinced we played well for the first 20. We played in front of of the Wigan defence and chucked a few moves about ,switching the ball like a school boy team who has just learnt a new move. From the Wigan perspective , it was very simple to defend against . All things are relative, and in relation to how we have been playing , it looked encouraging but in truth is was nothing more than average . I agree with you, Kieron is not ready to coach , the players are clearly unsettled and looking lost. I am a great believer that a good coach can stimulate even the most mediocre squad to perform and play basic rugby . Saints can't even do that . Kieron must go. God help us on Monday .

Re: Wigan game : Fri Mar 25, 2016 9:58 pm  

I have been chastised on here for criticising Walsh, it now looks like a few more have seen the light. He should be packed off home as soon as possible. Whoever is in charge of recruitment at Saints should have is contract terminated. the last few years have seen some of the worst signings of any super league team. I am now beginning to have grave doubts regarding Cunningham. As for the poster who is putting the blame on an injured player, well that is absolutely priceless.

Also I was in no doubt of today's result so I will not comment.