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Re: Keep or release? : Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:47 pm  
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Conner looks decent but can't work out what his best position is.


Playing fullback centre and standoff basically covers us though! It means KC will play him at hooker mind, but thats another story.

Id take Gale or Mellor to replace Walsh quite happily, struggling to think of centres we could bring in to replace Turner though (saying more about the quality available than JT's ability...)
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Re: Keep or release? : Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:25 pm  
I think that if we want to step up a level we need to get more out of our better paid players. I suspect that most of the players coming out of contract are on a fair whack and I don't think we're getting value.

Turner: I quite like JT, but I wouldn't offer him a new contract. He's a good centre with ball in hand, but his defence is poor. At stand off he does a decent job but is hardly a long term option. Best to let him go and get in a specialist in one position or the other.

Wilkin: again, I've got plenty of time for Wilkin, but I'm not sure he gives us enough for the doubtless substantial wage he's on.

LMS: a frustrating player. Just too many brainless penalties and moments where he switches off. I'd be surprised if we couldn't get better for the same money.

SMD: he does a good job as a backup, and would be worth keeping if it's at the right price.

It might be tricky to replace all of the first three at once, but if we could I'd go for it.

EDIT: forgot Walsh. Also probably not giving us our money's worth, but good scrum halves aren't easy to come by. I'd see how he gets on for another month or two before making a call.
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Re: Keep or release? : Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:34 pm  
I'd keep them all personally. The reason? Because Eamon McManus is a cheap ass who would only replace them with bargain basement signings. There would be no transfer fees, no ambition and certainly no improvement on those players you are planning on cutting.
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Re: Keep or release? : Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:40 pm  
Walsh out - Mellor In

Turner out - Connor in

That would be 2 positive moves. Then id look overseas for 2 or 3 players.

I think 2 big second rowers who can offload are musts imo.
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Re: Keep or release? : Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:54 am  
We might be able to replace 1 or 2 players on that list but good players are really in short supply and I'm sure other Superleague clubs will keep hold of the better players so I don't think the availability is there. I think I would look at offloading LMS being more of a liability these days, if Lomax makes a successful return then we could offload SMD, although Burns is not on the list he is becoming surplus to requirements with his below par performances.
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Re: Keep or release? : Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:40 am  
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From the top of my head Wilkin, Walsh, LMS, Turner and McDonnell are OOC this year. There's probably a couple more but these five inparticular are interesting. Who would everyone like to keep/release if it were up to them?

To start us off:

Walsh - i wouldn't mind him staying for another year if we can get an effective running 6 with him.

Wilkin - despite the stick he gets, i think he leads us around well and i wouldn't mind him staying for another year or two, hopefully playing as a ball-playing 13.

LMS - i'd be tempted to let him go. As good as he can be on his day, i can't help but feel for the money i imagine he's on (England international when he signed and may have signed a new deal since i cannot remember) we could find someone better or will be in a few years.

Turner - similarly to LMS, i feel this is an area we could do better. I don't think either Turner or Peyroux are good enough to be centres for a side that wants to challenge for SL. He has utility value but with Peyroux around next year to cover centre and back row i'd be happy to let JT go and look for a centre who can both attack and defend.

McDonnell - if SMD is happy to stay another year as a back up full-back i'd be happy to have him for another year. I don't think he is good enough in that position to be first choice for a side who wants to challenge for SL, but he is competent back up IMHO. The fullback area could need addressing in 2016 depending on how Lomax goes this year. Also depends on how the young fb in the reserves (Bailey is it?) progresses.


Burns should be on that list mate. His time is up IMO. I would also let Walsh go. We carry him at times, defensively the work is being spread out more because I don't think he puts much of a shift in. Long, Goulding, Martyn and co used to put a proper effort in. I'm grateful for LMS's contribution over the years but I think he's a liability like other people have said. I would keep the rest. We'd be lost without Wilkin. The fella carries Saints most of the time.

So posters might think I'm barmy but you could probably release Burns, Walsh and LMS now and I don't think it would hurt us that much.
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Re: Keep or release? : Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:17 pm  
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Burns should be on that list mate. His time is up IMO. I would also let Walsh go. We carry him at times, defensively the work is being spread out more because I don't think he puts much of a shift in. Long, Goulding, Martyn and co used to put a proper effort in. I'm grateful for LMS's contribution over the years but I think he's a liability like other people have said. I would keep the rest. We'd be lost without Wilkin. The fella carries Saints most of the time.

So posters might think I'm barmy but you could probably release Burns, Walsh and LMS now and I don't think it would hurt us that much.

Burns isn't out of contract this year, though.
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Re: Keep or release? : Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:56 pm  
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Burns isn't out of contract this year, though.


He isn't, but there's quite a few inquiring about him at the moment if rumours are to be believed - palming him off might not be that difficult
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Re: Keep or release? : Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:00 am  
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He isn't, but there's quite a few inquiring about him at the moment if rumours are to be believed - palming him off might not be that difficult

If clubs are sniffing around Burns then we should be looking very hard for someone we could bring in on an instant basis. If we could offload him now and bring in, say, a good quality 9 to rotate with Robes, then we'd be in a better position. I'm not sure I'd let him go if there's nothing out there, though, and the fact that it seems Hudds have come knocking for him as a solution to their problems at 7/9 probably suggests that there isn't.
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Re: Keep or release? : Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:06 pm  
Dux wrote:
If clubs are sniffing around Burns then we should be looking very hard for someone we could bring in on an instant basis. If we could offload him now and bring in, say, a good quality 9 to rotate with Robes, then we'd be in a better position. I'm not sure I'd let him go if there's nothing out there, though, and the fact that it seems Hudds have come knocking for him as a solution to their problems at 7/9 probably suggests that there isn't.


Or a good quality 6 and use fages as rotation with Robes. We in dire need of someone who can create something or make a break
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