Re: Jack Owens : Tue Oct 27, 2015 7:02 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

Would Owens expect to be straight into the first team?

SMD
Makinson Percival Lomax Swift
Burns Walsh

Owens
Grace Wellington Ashworth Fleming
Richardson Fages

Fleming is a centre by trade, i'd expect him to feature there and for Ashworth to play at second row. Don't forget, out of the young lads Ashworth along with Charnock are the most physically ready i'd imagine as they're the oldest.

Re: Jack Owens : Tue Oct 27, 2015 8:26 pm  

SecondRowSaint wrote:

Fleming is a centre by trade, i'd expect him to feature there and for Ashworth to play at second row. Don't forget, out of the young lads Ashworth along with Charnock are the most physically ready i'd imagine as they're the oldest.

There's also Spedding whose fulltime now as well who is iirc a wing/ centre.

The reserves opens up some interesting options - the line ups were missing Peyroux and Dawson who will probably spend time in both

Re: Jack Owens : Tue Oct 27, 2015 8:58 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

There's also Spedding whose fulltime now as well who is iirc a wing/ centre.

The reserves opens up some interesting options - the line ups were missing Peyroux and Dawson who will probably spend time in both

Yet we only got one real centre in percy. God knows what Turner is this year.

I hope we don't out peyroux in the centre or we in big trouble. His defence is very soft

Re: Jack Owens : Tue Oct 27, 2015 9:20 pm  

St pete wrote:

Yet we only got one real centre in percy. God knows what Turner is this year.

I hope we don't out peyroux in the centre or we in big trouble. His defence is very soft

I'm treating Peyroux as a complete unknown, I really haven't seen enough to make a judgement, and the NZ team I have seen him in can make anyone look bad,

Assuming Owens is coming, it makes sense to move one of SMD/ Lomax to the centre while we figure it out (assuming they're both fit).

Turner to play the odd job man Flanagans played for the last few years.

Re: Jack Owens : Wed Oct 28, 2015 6:29 am  

Don't think we can pin any hopes on Lomax. His speed at changing direction made him the player he was, 2 serious knee injuries will have undoubtedly dulled that somewhat

Re: Jack Owens : Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:52 am  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

I'm treating Peyroux as a complete unknown, I really haven't seen enough to make a judgement, and the NZ team I have seen him in can make anyone look bad,

Assuming Owens is coming, it makes sense to move one of SMD/ Lomax to the centre while we figure it out (assuming they're both fit).

Turner to play the odd job man Flanagans played for the last few years.

Are you seriously suggesting SMD can play centre? You've made some utter crazy suggestions in the past but this is up there with there with best.

I see your 5th prop for 2016 is on loan at Salford. How you could put him in your squad is unreal. The lad never ever played super league.

Imo jack Owen is a good player but do we need him ? I feel it's just a waste of cap. I know what he's on at widnes so I imagine we will match or pay more and the money should be used elsewhere.

The balance of the squad will be all over the place. We will have 3 fullbacks or four if include Bailey. We have one centre in percy. I just feel the recruitment doesn't make sense when we need a centre and prop massively.

Re: Jack Owens : Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:57 am  

St pete wrote:

Are you seriously suggesting SMD can play centre? You've made some utter crazy suggestions in the past but this is up there with there with best.

I see your 5th prop for 2016 is on loan at Salford. How you could put him in your squad is unreal. The lad never ever played super league.

Imo jack Owen is a good player but do we need him ? I feel it's just a waste of cap. I know what he's on at widnes so I imagine we will match or pay more and the money should be used elsewhere.

The balance of the squad will be all over the place. We will have 3 fullbacks or four if include Bailey. We have one centre in percy. I just feel the recruitment doesn't make sense when we need a centre and prop massively.

I also agree that centre should have been priority over a full back and I wouldn't fancy McDonnell there.

However, to be fair with regards to his comments on Haggarty, I also named him in the squad numbers thread. For him to play Super League in 2016, 12 months after signing for us, wouldn't have been unreal at all for me. We gave Walmsley his debut much sooner than that so it wouldn't have been unrealistic for us to blood Haggarty next year mate.

Re: Jack Owens : Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:16 am  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

I also agree that centre should have been priority over a full back and I wouldn't fancy McDonnell there.

However, to be fair with regards to his comments on Haggarty, I also named him in the squad numbers thread. For him to play Super League in 2016, 12 months after signing for us, wouldn't have been unreal at all for me. We gave Walmsley his debut much sooner than that so it wouldn't have been unrealistic for us to blood Haggarty next year mate.

I'm not talking squad numbers. I'm talking like 5th prop. That's crazy as he's not played one single first grade game. Plus I'm hearing he was pretty Avg last year but big Alex was ripping the championship up and was clear he was a level up from thst league.

Re: Jack Owens : Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:44 am  

St pete wrote:

I'm not talking squad numbers. I'm talking like 5th prop. That's crazy as he's not played one single first grade game. Plus I'm hearing he was pretty Avg last year but big Alex was ripping the championship up and was clear he was a level up from thst league.

I've said for roughly 6 months that Richards should be 5th prop in rotation and that leaving him in the regular 4 was crazy for this stage of his development. I've had Haggerty behind Richards and Thompson for everything I've ever said on here, so I'm not sure why you have this opinion.

I've also said for a very long time that a centre should be our priority. Given we had 2 fullbacks, and we went out and got another one, it seems an obvious conclusion to draw that one of them won't be playing at fullback - putting 2 and 2 together suggests one of them will play centre. Lomax played a lot on the edges when he was first coming through, and I'm about 80% sure SMD has played there before too. As I put originally, Lomax is the obvious choice, which is why I put him there on how we fit everyone in response.

Why the anger bro?

Re: Jack Owens : Wed Oct 28, 2015 9:02 am  

St pete wrote:

Are you seriously suggesting SMD can play centre? You've made some utter crazy suggestions in the past but this is up there with there with best.

For me, SMD would have to be starting next season as our full back as that is his best position...but that said he has played both wing and centre for Wests Tigers in the NRL before he came over here so it wouldnt be that strange to stick him in there (although I would only use him there as cover for injuries should we need it)