Re: England : Sat Aug 08, 2015 4:18 pm  

J.Tomkins and Westerman should be nowhere near the 17. Just from Wigan I'd pick Farrell and Bateman in front of them.

Interchange hooker is a wasted bench spot when you've got Roby. Might as well pick someone like Wilkin who can cover halves, back row and probably hooker too.

Is Cuthberton's defence good enough for an International 13? Always looked a bit dodgy when I've watched Leeds this year. NZ are infinitely better than most SL teams also so he'll get less opportunities to offload.

Re: England : Sat Aug 08, 2015 4:47 pm  

Wigg'n wrote:

J.Tomkins and Westerman should be nowhere near the 17. Just from Wigan I'd pick Farrell and Bateman in front of them.

Interchange hooker is a wasted bench spot when you've got Roby. Might as well pick someone like Wilkin who can cover halves, back row and probably hooker too.

Is Cuthberton's defence good enough for an International 13? Always looked a bit dodgy when I've watched Leeds this year. NZ are infinitely better than most SL teams also so he'll get less opportunities to offload.

He's made 700 tackles (12th) with 47 misses (29th). He tends to miss a few when he's tired but, I'd imagine he won't do as many minutes if he plays for England.

Re: England : Sat Aug 08, 2015 4:48 pm  

Charlie Sheen wrote:

He's made 700 tackles (12th) with 47 (29th). He tends to miss a few when he's tired but, I'd imagine he won't do as many minutes if he plays for England.

Fair dos. Pretty good stats those.

Re: England : Sat Aug 08, 2015 5:21 pm  

I'd go something like this

Hardaker
Hall
Watkins
Percival
Briscoe/Lineham/Burgess/Manfredi depending on form
Widdop
Smith
Graham
Roby
G Burgess
Farrell
Whitehead
Cooper

Cuthbertson
Walmsley
Hill
Ablett/Bateman/form back rower or possibly McGuire/McIllorum/form utility if you are going for someone to cover backs, play 9 or bring a spark.

Quite a few options in most positions other than 7, which is dire and lacking depth as per usual. Plenty of decent wingers and props.

On current for I wouldn't got for Tomkins even though he'll be an automatic pick. Granted he is homesick but his form has been awful this year, and Hardakrler has been absolutely brilliant and is probably safer under the high ball.

Re: England : Sat Aug 08, 2015 5:43 pm  

Twentyman wrote:

If Cuthbertson is available for selection then I agree we should use him and I'd pick him over Westerman whom I picked. I know it doesn't feel right picking Southern Hemisphere players but it's never stopped the Aussies from picking Kiwis/Pacific Islander players.

his dad was born over here so he has a strong link to England and should be able to pick who he wants to represent based on that fact, it happens in all other sports.

Re: England : Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:10 am  

Hardaker

Hall
Watkins
Reed
Burgess

Sam Tomkins
Widdop

James Graham
James Roby
Chris Hill
Liam Farrell
Joel Tomkins
Sean O'Loughlin

George Burgess
Tom Burgess
Michael MciIlorum
John Wilkin

Squad: Walmesley, Bateman, Whitehead, Briscoe, Matty Smith, Mike Cooper

Re: England : Sun Aug 09, 2015 1:43 pm  

Hardaker, Tomkins and Widdop would be a fearsome triumvirate in my opinion. Class, speed and strike.

Walmsley is a certainty for the bench (at least) as he's the best prop in Super League. I'd also pick Cuthbertson.

The issue for me is the back row. We are pretty weak there and with only Whitehad the obv pick. Farrell/Joel Tomkins/Bateman doesn't really fill me with confidence in an England shirt to partner him. O'loughlin is a shadow of the player he once was.

Re: England : Sun Aug 09, 2015 2:31 pm  

Albion wrote:

Hardaker, Tomkins and Widdop would be a fearsome triumvirate in my opinion. Class, speed and strike.

Walmsley is a certainty for the bench (at least) as he's the best prop in Super League. I'd also pick Cuthbertson.

The issue for me is the back row. We are pretty weak there and with only Whitehad the obv pick. Farrell/Joel Tomkins/Bateman doesn't really fill me with confidence in an England shirt to partner him. O'loughlin is a shadow of the player he once was.

This is why I picked Greenwood, i really believe he deserves a shout to be picked for England. Imagine how much he'd thrive off the back off a pack who offload like Leeds.

Obviously being a Wigan player I don't like him but Farrell is also a quality player.

Re: England : Sun Aug 09, 2015 9:26 pm  

Hardaker
Burgess Watkins Reed Hall
Tomkins Widdop
Graham Roby G Burgess
Whitehead Farrell O'Loughlin

Subs-Walmsley Hill Greenwood Clark

Squad-Ratchford Briscoe Brown T Burgess Cuthbertson Bateman Currie

Re: England : Sun Aug 09, 2015 9:46 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

Hardaker
Burgess Watkins Reed Hall
Tomkins Widdop
Graham Roby G Burgess
Whitehead Farrell O'Loughlin

Subs-Walmsley Hill Greenwood Clark

Squad-Ratchford Briscoe Brown T Burgess Cuthbertson Bateman Currie

That team is pretty much exactly how I would go. Only change I'd make is go for a bench full of forwards and get Roby to do the full 80. I'd put either Cuthbertson or Bateman on the bench.

Greenwood looks quality to me and getting him international game time early will only do him good. He looks like a tailer made international back rower as he has the size Farrell and Bateman (Both are quality as well) lack but also has niggle and aggression.