Re: woefull! : Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:37 am  

SecondRowSaint wrote:

Agree with St.Pete that Richards needs taking out of the firing line. This is why for next year I feel we need another prop to come in if Haggerty isn't going to be involved that much. Making Richards 5th choice would allow rotation of our forwards like we used to have when Graham was coming through. It'd keep them sharp and he wouldn't get fatigued. His performance is suffering at the minute though and he does have the tendency to give away penalties a fair bit which he needs to sort out.

He's had some problems earlier this season. But you could hardly fault him tonight.

Re: woefull! : Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:10 am  

SecondRowSaint wrote:

Agree with St.Pete that Richards needs taking out of the firing line. This is why for next year I feel we need another prop to come in if Haggerty isn't going to be involved that much. Making Richards 5th choice would allow rotation of our forwards like we used to have when Graham was coming through. It'd keep them sharp and he wouldn't get fatigued. His performance is suffering at the minute though and he does have the tendency to give away penalties a fair bit which he needs to sort out.

Imo we 100% need a prop for next year. We struggling with go forward at the moment with only big Alex and Mose ready making the meters.

We will miss the Mose thst was on show last night next year. When he can be bothered he's very good but i worry about Amor, he's getting hammered and looks very lightweight. Richsrds is still few seasons off being what he's going to be so Imo we need a prop.

Re: woefull! : Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:16 am  

Mugwump wrote:

He's had some problems earlier this season. But you could hardly fault him tonight.

Thought Richards went OK last night looked a lot better than the previous 3 games, made plenty of tackles took the ball up with a bit more pace, don,t recall him making any errors or giving penalties away.
Maybe we need to look at rotating a few forwards when Vea comes back, Thompson needs a bit more game time, we need a bit more agression in the pack when defending.
We have gone back to being a bit soft, slow line speed letting the oppostion run into us with a bit of pace and yet again relying on a scrambling defence which is a risk with the better teams.

Re: woefull! : Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:25 am  

I'll tell you what was woeful: our frigging defence. Absolute sieve all night

Re: woefull! : Sat Jul 11, 2015 8:28 am  

Another ugly win, but it is two points, that's what counts, I turned off in the end! Mose, not sure how he gets away with the clumsy? knee in heads of players on the ground, three if first half?

Re: woefull! : Sat Jul 11, 2015 10:58 am  

Mugwump wrote:

He's had some problems earlier this season. But you could hardly fault him tonight.

Apologies, I didn't mean tonight but he had last week off vs Leeds and it made a difference tonight, he looked energised and like he could keep up with play. I'm not knocking his defence as that's usually very good, he just seems to give daft penalties away sometimes coupled with a error. Still doesn't negate the fact that I'd want another prop in to rotate with.

Re: woefull! : Sat Jul 11, 2015 12:44 pm  

SecondRowSaint wrote:

Apologies, I didn't mean tonight but he had last week off vs Leeds and it made a difference tonight, he looked energised and like he could keep up with play. I'm not knocking his defence as that's usually very good, he just seems to give daft penalties away sometimes coupled with a error. Still doesn't negate the fact that I'd want another prop in to rotate with.

In a weird kind of way the fact that he gives away quite a few penalties is a positive sign. He's not a dirty player. It's important to make that distinction first and foremost because players who act like thugs help no one.

The majority of Richards' penalties are either professional fouls or brought about through over-exuberance. That shows two things - he's aware of what's taking place around him (rather than concentrating solely on his game) and he's competitive. Both attributes are desirable from a coaching perspective.

Richards' problem is he has yet to gain sufficient experience in knowing when and where he can get away with bending the rules. I'd wager Travis Burns conceded a similarly high number of penalties during his early career.

Once Greg gains a bit more experience I think he will become a key member of our pack. Without players who are willing to stretch the rules it's very difficult to compete at championship level.

Re: woefull! : Sat Jul 11, 2015 12:56 pm  

i thought you were lucky last night, some poor defending from both sides for tries

some awful decision making by us in the first 10 minutes that could have seen us 3 scored up and cruising, then you went down to our end and came up with a flukey try, and repeated it 20 minutes later, not to mention walsh's kick and the decisions at the end which could have gone either way.

i think a draw would have been a fair result as i thought both teams were poor at times, but i'd definately be thinking we got lucky if i was a saint today.

Re: woefull! : Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:15 pm  

meast wrote:

i thought you were lucky last night, some poor defending from both sides for tries

some awful decision making by us in the first 10 minutes that could have seen us 3 scored up and cruising, then you went down to our end and came up with a flukey try, and repeated it 20 minutes later, not to mention walsh's kick and the decisions at the end which could have gone either way.

i think a draw would have been a fair result as i thought both teams were poor at times, but i'd definately be thinking we got lucky if i was a saint today.

Saints were mediocre. But blaming "luck" when you had every opportunity to win and yet couldn't do so seems a bit like self-delusion.

Re: woefull! : Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:45 pm  

luck in the sense that certainly 2,possibly 3 of your tries were very fortunate tries rather than well worked defence splitting tries

certainly, we only have ourselves to blame for not putting the game possibly out of your reach after 10 minutes!