Re: Turner : Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:09 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

You're correct there is no comparison defensively at all.

Turner 172 tackles and 45 missed tackles
Sarginson 208 tackles and 25 missed tackles.

Turner has the most missed tackles at Saints. In fact only Scotte Dureau has a worse ratio of missed tackles to tackles made in the whole of Superleague.

And 5 of those 25 where against Chris Bridge in one match.

Re: Turner : Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:14 pm  

Never let facts get in the way of a good opinion.

Re: Turner : Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:14 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

You're correct there is no comparison defensively at all.

Turner 172 tackles and 45 missed tackles
Sarginson 208 tackles and 25 missed tackles.

And Wigan made plenty of yards in the Grand Final, granddad. Ultimately it's less about the number of yards or tackles made or missed - but such's impact upon the only statistic that matters.

After all, there are mistakes and there are GAME BLOWING HOWLERS.

Re: Turner : Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:20 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

You're correct there is no comparison defensively at all.

Turner 172 tackles and 45 missed tackles
Sarginson 208 tackles and 25 missed tackles.

Turner has the most missed tackles at Saints. In fact only Scotte Dureau has a worse ratio of missed tackles to tackles made in the whole of Superleague.

But, for instance) Sarginson was completely dominated by Bridge in that game at Wire. No one has ever done that to Tuner while he has been at Saints and I can't imagine anyone shy of an Inglis standing a chance.

It would be interesting to go back and have a look at the nature of each miss.

Re: Turner : Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:20 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

And Wigan made plenty of yards in the Grand Final, granddad. Ultimately it's less about the number of yards or tackles made or missed - but such's impact upon the only statistic that matters.

After all, there are mistakes and there are GAME BLOWING HOWLERS.

You brought the relative defensive qualities of the two players up and as usual have been shown up for being completely wrong, but don't let facts get in the way of your inability to understand what goes on.

Re: Turner : Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:23 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

And 5 of those 25 where against Chris Bridge in one match.

No they weren't.
And Turner missed six v Leeds

Re: Turner : Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:41 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

No they weren't.
And Turner missed six v Leeds

Correct, it was 3 against Chris Bridge, seemed a bit more. The 5 misses where against the Catalans. Think its Charnley who is the turnstile in the Wigan side.

Re: Turner : Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:44 pm  

Anyway, I'd agree. Turner is a very good player for and underrated by many (including Roguey).

He was devastating in France, had he stayed on the result may have well gone differently, in other recent weeks he's scored tries by bumping of the substantial frames of both Joel Tomkins and Ben Westwood. Good Hands/Plenty of assists. A judicious decision maker ball in hand. Comes up with some lovely kicks from the centre channel which give us an extra option towards the end of the set.

Despite an alleged high missed tackle count, they rarely seem to grab peoples attention, so can't be at important times/situations, but once a game he does tend to come up with an absolute crunching tackle. Given how quickly fans are to get on a players back AND how some "fans" love to slag off Turner no matter what, if his missed tackles were costing us, someone (other than the old pieman) would be harping on about it.

Re: Turner : Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:47 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

You brought the relative defensive qualities of the two players up and as usual have been shown up for being completely wrong, but don't let facts get in the way of your inability to understand what goes on.

Have you forgotten to buy a fresh pad of Post-It notes to scribble reminders about who said what - you know, as an aid to your fossilised brain - like the guy out of Memento? It was YOU who brought up statistics. And it was YOUR FANS who described Sarginson as a "Turnstile" (and worse!).

Re: Turner : Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:12 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

Thought the kid had a superb game last night. He really doesn't get anywhere near the credit he deserves.

That kick he put in for McDonnell (whilst at full pelt) was top class. Had it been executed by Greg Inglis or such it would have been trumpeted to the heavens.

If I had to point one attribute I really like about him is his decision-making. Very rarely takes the wrong option - certainly going forward.

He's up near the top of the try-scoring charts. Ditto breaks. He sets up plenty for others.

Very, very underrated player.

I'm not knocking Turner for the brilliant kick or indeed anything else but I thought the try was offside. Can't argue with the VR though can I?