Re: Never seen.... : Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:50 pm  

secondstanza wrote: Yeah, that was a good play the ball. I think had you not worked the overlap on that attempt to score, we were rattled anyway and you'd have been in somewhere in that set. For me he needs to do more minutes. I understand his thing is his weight and with that probably comes a lack of fitness, but remember that prop for St George who has a massive gut on him but put in massive minutes? Yeah I agree, but a player who can get a quick play the ball like that after drawing so many defenders in is really useful and I think gives us something different from the rest of our forwards. My issue with Masoe is he doesn't get in that position often enough (even for the time he's on the field). For example, in 2013, 20% of South Sydney's tries came off the back of George Burgess play the balls - http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... 2t3cm.html - there's no reason Masoe couldn't have a similar benefit for his teammates at Super League level at least. Do you mean George Rose? As much as George Rose has a huge gut, he only weighed around 116kg according to ZeroTackle. I think the average prop nowadays is around 110kg. Masoe for comparison is 130kg. That 14kg difference is huge and for him to do longer minutes I think we'd have to lose some of that. Nozzy wrote: Who got Sky MoM? I missed it after the game. I'd have given it to Walmsley, he was fantastic tonight. McDonell. I'd have given it to Walmsley or Roby, but obviously Stevo is incapable of awarding a MoM to someone who hasn't scored a try.

secondstanza wrote: Yeah, that was a good play the ball. I think had you not worked the overlap on that attempt to score, we were rattled anyway and you'd have been in somewhere in that set. For me he needs to do more minutes. I understand his thing is his weight and with that probably comes a lack of fitness, but remember that prop for St George who has a massive gut on him but put in massive minutes? Yeah I agree, but a player who can get a quick play the ball like that after drawing so many defenders in is really useful and I think gives us something different from the rest of our forwards. My issue with Masoe is he doesn't get in that position often enough (even for the time he's on the field). For example, in 2013, 20% of South Sydney's tries came off the back of George Burgess play the balls - http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... 2t3cm.html - there's no reason Masoe couldn't have a similar benefit for his teammates at Super League level at least. Do you mean George Rose? As much as George Rose has a huge gut, he only weighed around 116kg according to ZeroTackle. I think the average prop nowadays is around 110kg. Masoe for comparison is 130kg. That 14kg difference is huge and for him to do longer minutes I think we'd have to lose some of that. Nozzy wrote: Who got Sky MoM? I missed it after the game. I'd have given it to Walmsley, he was fantastic tonight. McDonell. I'd have given it to Walmsley or Roby, but obviously Stevo is incapable of awarding a MoM to someone who hasn't scored a try.

Re: Never seen.... : Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:54 pm  

secondstanza wrote:

Aye, that's the one. He really impressed me for the weight of him and the amount of good, hard minutes he played. When he came on I thought he'd do 5 minutes but he shut me up.

He was at manley but moved to St George.

Re: Never seen.... : Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:58 pm  

Anybody not acknowledging Masoe's impact tonight are mad. He went straight for McIlorum and bloody hammered him, both with and without the ball. They never even dared to go near the middle of the field afterwards.

Re: Never seen.... : Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:01 pm  

Saint #1 wrote:

McDonell. I'd have given it to Walmsley or Roby, but obviously Stevo is incapable of awarding a MoM to someone who hasn't scored a try.

I don't know how they work it at Langree Park but at Wigan they have their own MoM which tends to be different to the sky one. I'd have gone with Roby. Far and away the best hooker in the league and so consistent aswell.

Re: Never seen.... : Sat Jun 13, 2015 9:38 am  

SLS wrote:

Anybody not acknowledging Masoe's impact tonight are mad. He went straight for McIlorum and bloody hammered him, both with and without the ball. They never even dared to go near the middle of the field afterwards.

He OWED McIlorum that one from the last derby when bull-neck hit him whilst prone.

There's no escape from Bigfoot's wrath.

Re: Never seen.... : Sat Jun 13, 2015 9:48 am  

SLS wrote: Anybody not acknowledging Masoe's impact tonight are mad. He went straight for McIlorum and bloody hammered him, both with and without the ball. They never even dared to go near the middle of the field afterwards. Do you mean his massive 35 metres and six tackles. Have a word with yourself. Savellio was by far the better player last night. And all this crap about Saints dominating the game. Well here are the facts, despite having the majority of the ball, they actually only made 39 metres more than Wigan in the game. Wigan gifted Saints the game with the errors, the majority unforced, fair play to Saints for taking advantage, but those errors meant that Wigan had to make 110 more tackles in the game. http://www.superleague.co.uk/report/11139

SLS wrote: Anybody not acknowledging Masoe's impact tonight are mad. He went straight for McIlorum and bloody hammered him, both with and without the ball. They never even dared to go near the middle of the field afterwards. Do you mean his massive 35 metres and six tackles. Have a word with yourself. Savellio was by far the better player last night. And all this crap about Saints dominating the game. Well here are the facts, despite having the majority of the ball, they actually only made 39 metres more than Wigan in the game. Wigan gifted Saints the game with the errors, the majority unforced, fair play to Saints for taking advantage, but those errors meant that Wigan had to make 110 more tackles in the game. http://www.superleague.co.uk/report/11139

Re: Never seen.... : Sat Jun 13, 2015 9:48 am  

Looks like grandad's spit his false teeth out.

Re: Never seen.... : Sat Jun 13, 2015 9:51 am  

Rogues Gallery wrote: Do you mean his massive 35 metres and six tackles. Have a word with yourself. Savellio was by far the better player last night. And all this crap about Saints dominating the game. Well here are the facts, despite having the majority of the ball, they actually only made 39 metres more than Wigan in the game. Wigan gifted Saints the game with the errors, the majority unforced, fair play to Saints for taking advantage, but those errors meant that Wigan had to make 110 more tackles in the game. http://www.superleague.co.uk/report/11139 Lies, damned lies and statistics. See you in September/October. I suggest you find some props before attempting to take us on again.

Rogues Gallery wrote: Do you mean his massive 35 metres and six tackles. Have a word with yourself. Savellio was by far the better player last night. And all this crap about Saints dominating the game. Well here are the facts, despite having the majority of the ball, they actually only made 39 metres more than Wigan in the game. Wigan gifted Saints the game with the errors, the majority unforced, fair play to Saints for taking advantage, but those errors meant that Wigan had to make 110 more tackles in the game. http://www.superleague.co.uk/report/11139 Lies, damned lies and statistics. See you in September/October. I suggest you find some props before attempting to take us on again.

Re: Never seen.... : Sat Jun 13, 2015 10:01 am  

Rogues Gallery wrote: Do you mean his massive 35 metres and six tackles. Have a word with yourself. Savellio was by far the better player last night. And all this crap about Saints dominating the game. Well here are the facts, despite having the majority of the ball, they actually only made 39 metres more than Wigan in the game. Wigan gifted Saints the game with the errors, the majority unforced, fair play to Saints for taking advantage, but those errors meant that Wigan had to make 110 more tackles in the game. http://www.superleague.co.uk/report/11139 Haha you lot are full of excuses. You won because flower was sent off, you won because we let you... We were faultless second half and we completely dominated you. You were outclassed, second best and an embarrassment.

Rogues Gallery wrote: Do you mean his massive 35 metres and six tackles. Have a word with yourself. Savellio was by far the better player last night. And all this crap about Saints dominating the game. Well here are the facts, despite having the majority of the ball, they actually only made 39 metres more than Wigan in the game. Wigan gifted Saints the game with the errors, the majority unforced, fair play to Saints for taking advantage, but those errors meant that Wigan had to make 110 more tackles in the game. http://www.superleague.co.uk/report/11139 Haha you lot are full of excuses. You won because flower was sent off, you won because we let you... We were faultless second half and we completely dominated you. You were outclassed, second best and an embarrassment.

Re: Never seen.... : Sat Jun 13, 2015 10:03 am  

Rogues Gallery wrote: Do you mean his massive 35 metres and six tackles. Have a word with yourself. Savellio was by far the better player last night. And all this crap about Saints dominating the game. Well here are the facts, despite having the majority of the ball, they actually only made 39 metres more than Wigan in the game. Wigan gifted Saints the game with the errors, the majority unforced, fair play to Saints for taking advantage, but those errors meant that Wigan had to make 110 more tackles in the game. http://www.superleague.co.uk/report/11139 Its not all about individual metres though, Mose attracted 4 wigan players every time he took the ball up, he was used twice as a decoy again attracting wigan players, this was using a lot of energy from the Wigan team. Wigan were making metres on the outer edges but were more or less dominated in the middle, we had a better kicking game so we didn,t have to make loads of metres. Wigan,s bad composure at times created there own errors, I think Saints approach to the game contributed to that and exposed the weakness in a wigan side striving for consistency.

Rogues Gallery wrote: Do you mean his massive 35 metres and six tackles. Have a word with yourself. Savellio was by far the better player last night. And all this crap about Saints dominating the game. Well here are the facts, despite having the majority of the ball, they actually only made 39 metres more than Wigan in the game. Wigan gifted Saints the game with the errors, the majority unforced, fair play to Saints for taking advantage, but those errors meant that Wigan had to make 110 more tackles in the game. http://www.superleague.co.uk/report/11139 Its not all about individual metres though, Mose attracted 4 wigan players every time he took the ball up, he was used twice as a decoy again attracting wigan players, this was using a lot of energy from the Wigan team. Wigan were making metres on the outer edges but were more or less dominated in the middle, we had a better kicking game so we didn,t have to make loads of metres. Wigan,s bad composure at times created there own errors, I think Saints approach to the game contributed to that and exposed the weakness in a wigan side striving for consistency.