Re: Adrian Morley : Wed May 06, 2015 2:50 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

Morley was an above average player (not great) for many, many years until he went to Australia where he really improved. And yet for all that improvement (which took him to being arguably the best prop in the world) - he soon slid down the opposite side of the form bell curve. His time at the absolute top was far too short-lived whereas Graham was outstanding from the age of 20 and has never been anything less.

Aside from over-the-top zeal and big hits I can't think of any department in which Morley is superior to Graham.

Morley was one of the best forwards in the world for a decade. Both as a 2nd row, and then as a prop.

Re: Adrian Morley : Wed May 06, 2015 3:05 pm  

Charlie Sheen wrote:

Morley was one of the best forwards in the world for a decade. Both as a 2nd row, and then as a prop.

Don't agree with that at all. Morley never reached anything like his potential until he went to the NRL. In the NRL he had two seasons at the absolute top. Whilst widely respected as a fierce competitor he was being surpassed by younger, better forwards who simply had more to their games.

He couldn't sustain the pace in the NRL (indeed, he was on the verge of being banned out of existence due to persistent high tackling) - so he returned to SL where he gained a career extension.

I'm not saying Morley was a bad player. But as forwards go he was a bit of an anachronism. A throwback to the Aussie "enforcer" forwards of the eighties such as Gillespie or Roberts. As far as skills go he was incredibly limited and couldn't compete with the newer generation of multi-skilled forwards.

Re: Adrian Morley : Wed May 06, 2015 6:15 pm  

Charlie Sheen wrote:

Morley was one of the best forwards in the world for a decade. Both as a 2nd row, and then as a prop.

Someone talking a bit of sense on this thread. Morley has been one of the best forwards in the world for a long period of time. He was a very good player in his time at Leeds and improved dramatically in Aus.
He was pretty good whilst at Warrington and came to Salford in his twilight years. I was originally against this but I've been impressed with him in his time here and he certainly puts a shift in. He's had some cracking games and doesn't let the side down. Ask any player who's played against him!
Saddened, I didn't hear many Saints fans saying Kevin Ward was "Shiocking" in his twilight years at saints.
Give the man some respect as a great player and great ambassador of our great game.

Re: Adrian Morley : Wed May 06, 2015 6:24 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

Morley was an above average player (not great) for many, many years until he went to Australia where he really improved. And yet for all that improvement (which took him to being arguably the best prop in the world) - he soon slid down the opposite side of the form bell curve. His time at the absolute top was far too short-lived whereas Graham was outstanding from the age of 20 and has never been anything less.

Aside from over-the-top zeal and big hits I can't think of any department in which Morley is superior to Graham.

Above average??? Morley was a brilliant prop. The Aussies hated him. Graham has great ball handling skills (Oi Oiiiiii!!!!) but still, I'd have loved to have seen Morley at Saints.

Re: Adrian Morley : Wed May 06, 2015 7:07 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

I think it would be really good to see St pete and Mugwump in a ring for a charity fund raiser. Cage match. Bare knuckle.

I've seen many a grudge on here, but this is getting ridiculous. Someone else mentioned sexual tension, but I wouldn't go that far...

I'm more than happy to have a boxing match. I don't agree with and blood testing during my training or post fight tho

Re: Adrian Morley : Wed May 06, 2015 7:23 pm  

Salford 1961 wrote:

Someone talking a bit of sense on this thread. Morley has been one of the best forwards in the world for a long period of time. He was a very good player in his time at Leeds and improved dramatically in Aus.
He was pretty good whilst at Warrington and came to Salford in his twilight years. I was originally against this but I've been impressed with him in his time here and he certainly puts a shift in. He's had some cracking games and doesn't let the side down. Ask any player who's played against him!
Saddened, I didn't hear many Saints fans saying Kevin Ward was "Shiocking" in his twilight years at saints.
Give the man some respect as a great player and great ambassador of our great game.

I agree! Mozza was brilliant player here and become world class in the NRL. One of the modern greats and also set the bench mark for british players playing in the NRL in the super league era. I'm pretty sure the Burgess brothers and jammer wouldnt have been chased if it wasn't fkr the impact mozza had.

Re: Adrian Morley : Wed May 06, 2015 7:25 pm  

It's amazing how so many people can't read plain English.

I DIDN'T say Adrian Morley wasn't a great player.
I DID say Adrian Morley was the best prop in the world.
I DID say Adrian Morley's time at the top was relatively short lived.
I DID say James Graham - considered over the duration of his career and based on the entirety of his skills is a better player than Morley ever was.

Can't people be happy enough with Morley being considered the best prop in the world for eighteen months/two years? Or is it that unless I consider him equally as good as Graham (or better) - which he demonstrably wasn't - they'll all cry?

It seems so.

Pathetic.

Re: Adrian Morley : Wed May 06, 2015 9:13 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

WHY? It was an utterly STUPID act of thuggery which put his teammates under enormous pressure from the first minute.

Some say that GB would've won by 40 points if he hadn't been sent off.

Re: Adrian Morley : Wed May 06, 2015 9:17 pm  

Wigg'n wrote:

Some say that GB would've won by 40 points if he hadn't been sent off.

Based on Britain's performances over the last forty years against Australia I'd love to know on what basis "some people" might possibly think that...

Re: Adrian Morley : Wed May 06, 2015 9:58 pm  

Looks like he's declined the offer. All money couid go to Danny jones